Ohio councilman would let repeat overdose victims die to save money

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An Ohio city is considering whether dispatchers should send ambulances to every overdose call they get, after the number of overdoses this year has already exceeded last year’s total.

Dan Picard, a Middletown city councilman, proposed a “three strikes” limit for opioid addicts after the number of overdoses jumped from 532 last year to 577 so far this year, including 51 deaths, compared to 74 in all of 2016, reported the Journal-News.

“I want to send a message to the world that you don’t want to come to Middletown to overdose because someone might not come with Narcan and save your life,” Picard said. “We need to put a fear about overdosing in Middletown.”

The 61-year-old Picard, who isn’t seeking re-election, suggested issuing a court summons to overdose victims and require them to complete community service to work off the cost of their emergency medical services call and a dose of the life-saving Narcan drug.

If they fail to do so following two overdoses, 911 dispatchers could refuse to send help on their third call.

“If the dispatcher determines that the person who’s overdosed is someone who’s been part of the program for two previous overdoses and has not completed the community service and has not cooperated in the program, then we wouldn’t dispatch,” Picard told WLWT-TV.

The city councilman pointed out that cancer patients don’t get free chemotherapy, and he said patients suffering heart attacks don’t get free bypass surgery on an EMS run. :russ:

The city budgeted $10,000 this year for Narcan, which revives overdose patients, but is on pace to spend $100,000 on the drug.

The fire chief said he understood Picard’s frustration, but the state law requires first responders to administer Narcan to overdose patients, and he pointed out that medics took an oath to care for those who are hurt, sick or injured — regardless of the cost.

“This is our standing order,” said Fire Chief Paul Lolli. “Our guys operate under standing orders and protocols set by the medical director. Unless directed otherwise, that’s what we have to do.”

First responders in southwest Ohio, which has been hit hard by the opioid epidemic, are suffering compassion fatigue from the frequency of overdose calls, reported the Cincinnati Enquirer.

“The situations that we’re coming upon have not been dealt with before,” said Lt. John Williams, of the Cincinnati Fire Department.

First responders are themselves in danger from overdosing on powerful synthetic opioids they may come into contact with, and they must remain hyper-vigilant about blood spatter and needle sticks to avoid hepatitis C and other blood-borne illness.

The state’s Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse received $26 million in grant money, and some of that money will go toward helping first responders deal with the trauma they experience on the job.

Picard admits his proposal wouldn’t solve the city’s drug problem.:troll:

“We’ve got to do what we’ve got to do to maintain our financial security, and this is just costing us too much money,” Picard said.

The fire department is applying for grants and accepting donations to pay for Narcan.

The city manager declined to comment on Picard’s proposal until the city’s legal department could review it

Ohio councilman would let repeat overdose victims die to save money.
 

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Dispatcher: 9-1-1 what's your emergency
Caller: Hello my roommate has overdosed
Dispatcher: What's his name?
Caller: Excuse me? Why does that matter.
Dispatcher: His name sir
Caller: Jesse Smith
Dispatcher: OK, I'm going to put you on a brief hold...Smithh...ok here it is
Caller: Huh?
Dispatcher: OK, so it looks like we've already been out there twice already. Please let Mr. Angleton know this is the last time we will come out
Caller: Can you just send someone quickly, he's cold and his tongue is purple
Dispatcher: Sweettt...this is dispatch calling unit 4556, please be advised patient will most likely be DOA...please confirm seal has not yet been broken on the Narcan...I repeat do not break seal
Caller: What the hell are you tal....
Dispatcher: shyt, I thought you were on hold...units are on their way, thank you goodbye
 

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It's a bad idea, but at least it's an idea. What would be your plan to combat spending 10 times what you've projected on saving the lives of people who are going to turn around and do the same thing again?
 

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you know what? i dont give a fukk :yeshrug:im not gonna pretend to care. im completely indifferent to him putting this in effect

if you overdose 3 times, you're a fukkin useless junkie. i wouldnt throw money out of my bank account at these peoples' third overdose, and im not gonna pretend i want politicians to do it with my tax dollars
 

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you know what? i dont give a fukk :yeshrug:im not gonna pretend to care. im completely indifferent to him putting this in effect

if you overdose 3 times, you're a fukkin useless junkie. i wouldnt throw money out of my bank account at these peoples' third overdose, and im not gonna pretend i want politicians to do it with my tax dollars

i see why people are cold to heroin addicts but my aunt is one. she was a heroin addict for like 20 years. she's been in recovery for 7 and now works at Umass helping others recovering or trying to. she's also a sponsor and has helped other girls get and stay clean.

sorry but knowing people who have been addicted to drugs especially heroin a lot of them grew up in mad broken families or just bad environments. i was best friends with a kid who became a heroin addict and he grew up poor, came here from Portugal and his mom has Schizophrenia and he never met his dad. has no family here except for his mom. grew up with some other kids who were brother, were born into the system and in foster homes because their mom was a heroin addict. a lot of this shyt starts at home and in dysfunctional families and i see it. so it's hard for me to not feel sympathy for people who are both in dysfunction and pick up behaviors. when you're born with a heroine addict mom and substance addiction behaviors surrounding you, your children most likely will pick it up.
 
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It's a bad idea, but at least it's an idea. What would be your plan to combat spending 10 times what you've projected on saving the lives of people who are going to turn around and do the same thing again?
But if it were a runaway dog you'd call in sick from work, post facebook, snapchat, and instagram messages, buy new toys and a bed from pet smart and talk about how heartbreaking it is that a dog was running around without an owner. :mjgrin:
 

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i see why people are cold to heroine addicts but my aunt is one. she was a heroin addict for like 20 years. she's been in recovery for 7 and now works at Umass helping others recovering or trying to. she's also a sponsor and has helped other girls get and stay clean.
i dont think it's really about being "cold" when this town budgeted 10,000 dollars to this revival drug and had to spend a hundred grand. what if the money simply isn't there? :yeshrug: addicts can't compel a town to set aside resources because they want to fukk around and keep using instead of getting clean

and look, i know what you're saying. but frankly, i know it because i know these people too, and my empathy is pretty much gone
 

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But if it were a runaway dog you'd call in sick from work, post facebook, snapchat, and instagram messages, buy new toys and a bed from pet smart and talk about how heartbreaking it is that a dog was running around without an owner. :mjgrin:

:dwillhuh:
 

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But if it were a runaway dog you'd call in sick from work, post facebook, snapchat, and instagram messages, buy new toys and a bed from pet smart and talk about how heartbreaking it is that a dog was running around without an owner. :mjgrin:
not me, i hate dogs :jawalrus:
 

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Where was the compassion for the black crack epidemic in the 80's now they willing to let even white people die to save money...
No empathy for their own people...:francis:
ppl need to realize that these dudes don't care about ANYONE, and only care about the bottom line.

but let's be real here, America doesn't give any fukks about helping ppl or anyone else but themselves, this attitude isn't exclusive to the 1%. at every single socioeconomic level ppl are only worried about themselves.

Only when ppl start actually giving a fukk about the next person will things start to change.

Addiction is a mental health problem. and more research, investment, and money needs to go in to the treatment and recovery of these ppl.

but when the prison industrial complex, big pharma, insurance companies, lobbyists are involved and doctors and politicians getting kick backs....nothing will ever change.


selfishness is a disease, and Americans have that shyt on LOCK.
 

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ppl need to realize that these dudes don't care about ANYONE, and only care about the bottom line.

Oh I know that but....STILL:mjlol:

These cacs keep putting them in office and they keep fukking them over because they're dumb and white... Staying on code even if it kills them :heh:
 

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selfishness is a disease, and Americans have that shyt on LOCK.
cutting junkies off from medical services after 3 overdoses isn't selfishness. hell, the most selfish motherfukkers in this story are the actual addicts :heh:

so fukk em :camby: call it thinning the herd. a lot of these fukkin clowns are suburban, well-enough off white kids who picked it up for fun on the weekends and got addicted and "dont feel like stopping", etc. with all the fukkin financial problems this country is facing, coddling opiate addicts is low on my list
 
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