OKC vs Indy is a blessing in disguise for media narratives and fan discussion

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No matter how you feel about OKC vs Indy, all of the media and casual fanbase narratives are being completely thrown out of the window. Yes they're smaller markets and certain casuals will tune out because of this, but with these two teams and how they're constructed, also with the new CBA and its restrictive aprons, it throws off and makes most NBA topics sound dated and obsolete. Big 3's and filling in the roster with old hired guns/vagabond players are essentially dead so "team up" scenrios and the discussion that it generates sounds like yesterdays news. What's there to talk about with Bron & Luka if players 6-15 on the roster aren't playable in the post season? KD can't form a Big 3 anymore and if he's to have any more success before he retires he'll need to join a Minnesota type squad and give Ant support as a 2nd option. Curry can barely make through a first round series that goes 7 games and was done in round 2.

The superstar unrestriced free agent is damn near a unicorn and a ghost in this modern NBA. Any star worth a damn is under a max contract with their current team so to get a star it takes a big trade with mutliple teams involved. Zion, JA, and a few others didn't take the mantle so it appears that a plethra of future true stars aren't even in abundance like in years past. Our Clippers' GM Lawrence Frank, who's still chasing the ghost of the SGA/PG trade to this very day, is trying to sell the fanbase on open cap space in '27 & '27, but there's nobody out there that's going to save the team. Unless we want to throw $50 million a year at Trae Young or LaMelo Ball just to say we're doing something. All the star chasing teams have to develop players now. This is the final frontier and honestly, it's kind of refreshing. There was a reason ESPN kept mentioning SGA and NAW were cousins... they didn't have sh*t else to discusss or alternate fill in banter. Everybody has to do homework now from the teams all the way to the announcing booth. We've all said and there's numerous posts on how the NBA media is sh*t and the worst in pro sports. This series might steer it in the right direction.
 

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Classic. :russ:


All jokes aside @pete clemenza , that 2nd apron pretty much kills 3 max players on a team. You will have ZERO depth or a bunch of Coli Brehs on the roster.

Giving maxes to above average cats is going to slow down quick now.
 

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Our Clippers' GM Lawrence Frank, who's still chasing the ghost of the SGA/PG trade to this very day, is trying to sell the fanbase on open cap space in '27 & '27, but there's nobody out there that's going to save the team. Unless we want to throw $50 million a year at Trae Young or LaMelo Ball just to say we're doing something. All the star chasing teams have to develop players now.
Was waiting for this.
 
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Wishful thinking. :dead:

You’re not gonna be able to just force the fans (or media) to care about markets or players or teams they don’t care about.

I’m saying

This argument is equivalent to “Why do we always need a star to sell a movie?”

You’re not going to “fix” a league which rose to prominence with Los Angeles being in The Finals 8 times in the 80s, Chicago going 6 times in the 90s, Los Angeles going 5 times in the 00s, Miami going 5 times in the 00s etc…

Every team isn’t going to be able to build in the draft because some GMs suck no
differently than some coaches suck and players suck

The Clippers for example had their chances

20 - Failed
21 - Hurt
22 - Hurt
23 - Hurt
24 - Hurt
25 - Failed

Is it Lawrence Frank’s fault these guys can’t physically deal with the demands of a sport they get paid to play? lol

The NBA isn’t developing players that don’t show initial signs no differently than Def Jam isn’t signing a nikka while he works on his song making

The Clippers roster top to bottom was in MUCH better shape than The Nuggets yet we saw who moved on to the second round

Is what it is
 

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You dudes spend more time complaining about the media, narratives, big markets, casuals, etc… than the actual game
You're missing the point. This Finals is the Kryptonite to all the bad media narratives and discussions. For example, Shams said there's going to be a ton of player movement this off-season during draft time. Normally that's more than enough to send the fans and media heads into a complete frenzy, but this Finals tells us that player movement won't mean sh*t in the end if these teams don't have a deep bench.
 

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Maybe I've missed it but where has Frank sold the fanbase that capspace in 27 is the golden goose? It's essential that team manage their cap so they have increased flexibility to try and build depth. Now I think it's valid to question whether he's the person to build with that flexibility. The team took a shot (he wasn't the GM, Doc was I'm pretty sure) that every other team would have taken and missed. Then it was compounded by the new CBA. That's not on the front office.

Player development is obviously going to be more important than ever going forward. Clippers picks are so late that they're at an even more disadvantage. Because they're taking fliers on guys. I know you love your chucking bums and Diabate but all the complaining you do about letting BB Jr or KPJ go you don't give team credit for what they did with Mann (they fukked up by overpaying him in the hope he could be used as matching salary and uktimatt had to trade him to clean up their books) and Zu. The team is in a holding pattern not because I think they're going to sign Lamelo or Trae Young but because what else are they supposed to do with no picks?
 
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Maybe I've missed it but where has Frank sold the fanbase that capspace in 27 is the golden goose? It's essential that team manage their cap so they have increased flexibility to try and build depth. Now I think it's valid to question whether he's the person to build with that flexibility. The team took a shot (he wasn't the GM, Doc was I'm pretty sure) that every other team would have taken and missed. Then it was compounded by the new CBA. That's not on the front office.

Player development is obviously going to be more important than ever going forward. Clippers picks are so late that they're at an even more disadvantage. Because they're taking fliers on guys. I know you love your chucking bums and Diabate but all the complaining you do about letting BB Jr or KPJ go you don't give team credit for what they did with Mann (they fukked up by overpaying him in the hope he could be used as matching salary and uktimatt had to trade him to clean up their books) and Zu. The team is in a holding pattern not because I think they're going to sign Lamelo or Trae Young but because what else are they supposed to do with no picks?

Ignores Coffey becoming a legit rotational guy
Ignores Batum gaining new life in LA when he was as good as dead around the league
Ignores Powell having his best year in the league
Ignores Zu becoming a top 10 center

Minnesota got like 70 point from their supporting cast yet lost a decisive game 4 because their star sucked

Is that the GM’s fault? If any of them guys he likes are on a NBA roster three years from now much less contributing at a high level he might have a point lol
 

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Wishful thinking. :dead:

You’re not gonna be able to just force the fans (or media) to care about markets or players or teams they don’t care about.
Correct, not at all. All I'm saying is that now media coverage and fan talk has to get deeper than just "roll the ball out for Bron & Luka and they will be championship contenders." You gotta hit on all cylinders in team building now. That's my point.
 

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Ignores Coffey becoming a legit rotational guy
Ignores Batum gaining new life in LA when he was as good as dead around the league
Ignores Powell having his best year in the league
Ignores Zu becoming a top 10 center

Minnesota got like 70 point from their supporting cast yet lost a decisive game 4 because their star sucked

Is that the GM’s fault? If any of them guys he likes are on a NBA roster three years from now much less contributing at a high level he might have a point lol
Forgot about Coffey. Batum is a success story and is probably a Clippers lifer at this point. He never fukked with Powell (anti-San Diego bias? :russ: ) but he did come around this year.
Correct, not at all. All I'm saying is that now media coverage and fan talk has to get deeper than just "roll the ball out for Bron & Luka and they will be championship contenders." You gotta hit on all cylinders in team building now. That's my point.
Agreed. Hopefully this results in fewer discussion that are basically 2k roster construction fantasies. But with current CBA are teams bound to be like Denver where they win the chip and then have to start selling off parts. Kroenkes are cheap but you hope Jokic is good enough to figure it out.
 

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I’m saying

This argument is equivalent to “Why do we always need a star to sell a movie?”

You’re not going to “fix” a league which rose to prominence with Los Angeles being in The Finals 8 times in the 80s, Chicago going 6 times in the 90s, Los Angeles going 5 times in the 00s, Miami going 5 times in the 00s etc…

Every team isn’t going to be able to build in the draft because some GMs suck no
differently than some coaches suck and players suck

The Clippers for example had their chances

20 - Failed
21 - Hurt
22 - Hurt
23 - Hurt
24 - Hurt
25 - Failed

Is it Lawrence Frank’s fault these guys can’t physically deal with the demands of a sport they get paid to play? lol

The NBA isn’t developing players that don’t show initial signs no differently than Def Jam isn’t signing a nikka while he works on his song making

The Clippers roster top to bottom was in MUCH better shape than The Nuggets yet we saw who moved on to the second round

Is what it is
The well us drying up though. All the sh*t we got by with for the past 6-7 is about to be over with if not already. Tryouts with old former stars like Paul Pierce, Hedo Tukalou, Rondo, Grant Hill, John Wall, Danny Granger, Westbrook, etc. - are over with, that era is out of the league. Ballmer buying 2nd round draft picks- over with. Unrestricted star free agents galore- now 95% are all locked up with current teams. Depending on buyout players to move the needle - done. I can go on and on. There's no shortcuts and cheat codes anymore. Big market - small market, you got to put in work on every facet now. Make a good trade, hit on a pick, develop a player or two, have a back up big, a back up point guard, etc.
 
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