Pension Mess Can't Go On; That's No Reason to Ignore It

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Pension Mess Can't Go On; That's No Reason to Ignore It
Pension Mess Can't Go On; That's No Reason to Ignore It

President Richard Nixon's economic adviser, the late Herbert Stein, still is knon for his dictum: "If something cannot go on forever, it won't." It should be the rallying cry for California's pension reformers. The numbers don't lie, they say. Services are being cut to pay for oversized pensions, they note. Something must be done because the debt cannot keep growing forever.

They're right. And it won't go on forever. It can't go on forever. At some point, even the most dogged public-pension defenders will realize the gravy train—six-figure guaranteed lifetime pensions inflated by myriad spiking gimmicks—will end because the math must catch up with the wishful thinking.

New York and Chicago already pay for more retired cops than for officers patrolling the streets. Some cities have gone belly up, with Stockton and Vallejo the most visible California examples of what happens without adult supervision. Even healthy cities are slashing services and raising taxes to meet escalating pension bills, to pay for those who often receive far more in retirement than most residents earn during their working years.

Even the rest of the media have come to the party, however late. At the Orange County Register, writers have been pointing to the disastrous fiscal effects of Senate Bill 400 for years. That's the 1999 legislation that started a wave of unsustainable, retroactive pension increases, not just in state government, but in cities and counties across California.

As reported in the Los Angeles Times last week, "With the stroke of a pen, California Gov. Gray Davis signed legislation that gave prison guards, park rangers, Cal State professors and other state employees the kind of retirement security normally reserved for the wealthy... California Highway Patrol officers could retire at 50 and receive as much as 90 percent of their peak pay for as long as they lived." The deal was promised to pay for itself, but instead has plunged California into an unsustainable fiscal mess. Surprise.

Indeed, Stein was right that unsustainable things ultimately will be, err, unsustainable. But there's no underestimating the ability of officials to delay the day of reckoning—at least until they are comfortably retired at their beachfront condos. One website covers the coming "pension tsunami." It's great imagery, but the problem is less "tsunami" and more "steadily rising floodwaters." The result is the same, but timing is everything.

Sometimes it takes decades for problems to wreak havoc. Those who make predictions sometimes have to wait until the audience becomes receptive to their message. Those pension reformers have been warning about the flood for years. They've attempted legislative fixes. They've taken local reform measures to the ballot. They've tried to qualify measures statewide. They've gone to court. Usually they are stymied by the more politically powerful public-employee unions.

In a fit of despair, I wrote that reformers ought to abandon ship. That's not because they are wrong actuarially, but because they are politically outmatched in our union-dominated state. But once again, pension reform is resurfacing.

Last month, a state appeals court rebuked a Marin County public-employee union that was challenging the state's modest effort to rein in some pension "enhancements," or spiking. In doing so, the court ruled that the so-called "California Rule" (forbidding the state from reducing pension benefits for current hires, even going forward) could be jettisoned.

As Judge James Richman ruled, "(W)hile a public employee does have a 'vested right' to a pension, that right is only to a 'reasonable' pension—not an immutable entitlement to the most optimal formula of calculating that pension." That's big news because the pension mess cannot be fixed merely by lowering benefits for new hires, most of whom won't retire for decades.

More impetus for reform came from The New York Times, which reported recently that the California Public Employees' Retirement System has two sets of books to evaluate the size of the state's pension debt. It has its "official," rosier estimates, which say the system can count on a rate of return on its investments of 7.5 percent annually (higher returns make the taxpayer-backed unfunded liabilities seem smaller).

Then there are the "market" estimates—the much lower (2.64 percent) expected rates of return CalPERS uses to calculate how much agencies must pay it if they want to leave the system. Most reformers say these numbers are closer to reality. The Times article said such "market" estimates result in a cost projection that is "alarmingly large."

This is nothing new. In a 2011 column, I argued the situation was unsustainable. It can't go on forever, but it would be nice if the state's leaders would muster some courage and fix it, rather than just waiting to see if Stein had a point.

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its not about honoring the existing contracts; its the fact that we have to stand up and say that this is not a perk of the job anymore for anyone who starts after tomorrow

unfortunately its political suicide :snoop:

pensions that are a major financial problem are disgusting. if they worked, id be fine with them and happy for those getting them. but they dont fukkin work. pay these people more up front, and get rid of or severely reduce pensions
 

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its not about honoring the existing contracts; its the fact that we have to stand up and say that this is not a perk of the job anymore for anyone who starts after tomorrow

unfortunately its political suicide :snoop:

pensions that are a major financial problem are disgusting. if they worked, id be fine with them and happy for those getting them. but they dont fukkin work. pay these people more up front, and get rid of or severely reduce pensions

Scott walker went up against the unions In a blue state. The problem is no one else has the balls because as you said its politcal suicide.

Police and teachers unions run American cities and its disgusting
 
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Bullshyt, this is what happens. Republicans run on tax cuts, then underfund pension plans and infrastructure repairs. Anything that takes a LONG time for people to see the effects. Then, when things go to shyt, they throw up their hands and cry "Poverty!"

It's somethng like what's happening to social security. Social Security is NOT going broke! Congress keeps taking social security funds to use elsewhere!
 

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Bullshyt, this is what happens. Republicans run on tax cuts, then underfund pension plans and infrastructure repairs. Anything that takes a LONG time for people to see the effects. Then, when things go to shyt, they throw up their hands and cry "Poverty!"

It's somethng like what's happening to social security. Social Security is NOT going broke! Congress keeps taking social security funds to use elsewhere!
forget cry poverty, they say "see we told you, government doesn't work."
 

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Bullshyt, this is what happens. Republicans run on tax cuts, then underfund pension plans and infrastructure repairs. Anything that takes a LONG time for people to see the effects. Then, when things go to shyt, they throw up their hands and cry "Poverty!"

It's somethng like what's happening to social security. Social Security is NOT going broke! Congress keeps taking social security funds to use elsewhere!
while i agree with what you're sayin about repubs, youve still gotta look at the actual amount of money that we're paying these people for NOT working. it HAS to be a point where we've promised them too much money, right?

i mean like i said, that la la land shyt where every pig and teacher gets 80k a year for life after age 55 would be great, but its clearly not sustainable :yeshrug: life expectancies going up, etc

can someone give me a compelling reason why we cant raise public sector pay on the front end, and let them plan for retirement like everyone else? why are you OWED a pension for working for the government, when you cant even fire a fukkin government worker to begin with?
 

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while i agree with what you're sayin about repubs, youve still gotta look at the actual amount of money that we're paying these people for NOT working. it HAS to be a point where we've promised them too much money, right?

i mean like i said, that la la land shyt where every pig and teacher gets 80k a year for life after age 55 would be great, but its clearly not sustainable :yeshrug: life expectancies going up, etc

can someone give me a compelling reason why we cant raise public sector pay on the front end, and let them plan for retirement like everyone else? why are you OWED a pension for working for the government, when you cant even fire a fukkin government worker to begin with?

A pension is an obligation, not charity or welfare. People went to work for them because the pension was a selling point. I have friends who took lower paying jobs because the retirement package is better. Job I'm at pays a little bit less than some companies but makes it up in benefits. If you aren't willing to meet the obligation, then you DON'T PROMISE PEOPLE YOU WILL AND PAY THEM LESS TO COME WORK FOR YOU.
 

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A pension is an obligation, not charity or welfare. People went to work for them because the pension was a selling point. I have friends who took lower paying jobs because the retirement package is better. Job I'm at pays a little bit less than some companies but makes it up in benefits. If you aren't willing to meet the obligation, then you DON'T PROMISE PEOPLE YOU WILL AND PAY THEM LESS TO COME WORK FOR YOU.
thats why i explicitly said, we need to honor every pension that was promised. and rework this system for everyone who signs up starting now, or in the future

up the starting pay and decrease the pension. if they want the job, cool. if not, go work somewhere else :yeshrug:
 

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thats why i explicitly said, we need to honor every pension that was promised. and rework this system for everyone who signs up starting now, or in the future

up the starting pay and decrease the pension. if they want the job, cool. if not, go work somewhere else :yeshrug:

That's not the problem. The problem is they're going after people who already work ther or who already are on pension. One of the ways Romney got rich was buying up companies in trouble then using bankruptcy settlements to void pension obligations.
 
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