Phil Jackson: Kobe's Training is TransJordan :sadfatmelo:
- Thread starter Gregg PopaBitch
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nomoreneveragain
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Cheese eyes, Drank Partied all night, still dropped 30 shooting 50%
Shows how much inferior Kobe is/was to Mike.
Shows how much inferior Kobe is/was to Mike.
Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
Superstar
men lie. women lie. numbers don't.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
Kobe Bryant per 36 mins: 25.0 PPG on 19.3 FGs
Michael Jordan per 36 mins: 28.3 PPG on 21.5 FGs
Kobe Bryant: 31,700 career points on 24,374 FGs
Michael Jordan: 32,292 career points on 24,537 FGs
Jordan = 1.316 points per shot attempt
Kobe = 1.300 points per shot attempt
the numbers show Kobe was only SLIGHLY less efficient than Jordan per shot attempt (a difference of 0.016 over their entire careers). Jordan however was much more selfish. taking 2.2 FGs more per 36 mins while scoring only 3.3 more points.
Kobe is not inferior to Jordan in scoring efficiency. He's pretty much his equal. The only difference between the two is Kobe was more of a team player and let other guys take more shots (remember how many years he and shaq averaged 27-28 ppg each) while Jordan was just more selfish (never let another teammate score more than 21 ppg).
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Bu-bu-bu I thought stats that weren't rings were for cacs
Bu-bu-bu I thought stats that weren't rings were for cacs
I have no problem using the CORRECT stats to counter someone's fallacious use of stats. In the post I was responding to, the poster made the false argument that Kobe was inferior to Jordan because he didn't shoot 50% or average 30ppg for him career. I corrected him by showing that in terms of SCORING EFFICIENCY Kobe is pretty much Jordan's equal (0.016 points difference per shot attempt). The only SIGNIFICANT difference being that Jordan simply averaged more shots than Kobe in a similar amount of time.
I judge players on what what they accomplish and what I see. However, I am quick to use statistical arguments AGAINST idiots who use them fallaciously.
Dwight Howard
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and Kobe was fukking white bytches all night...who cares
Q: Is Kobe Bryant the model for Carmelo Anthony?
A: No. No one can approach that. I don’t expect anybody to be able to model their behavior after that, although Kobe modeled his behavior a lot about Michael Jordan, but he went beyond Michael in his attitude towards training, and I know Mike would probably question me saying that, but he did.
954UAlreadyknow
All Star
Never let someone score more or never played with nobody as good as Shaq that had the ability to score more
I don't have a problem with bringing up fg%. Just don't act like it tells you much. A guy can shoot 33% from the field and score more points than a guy shooting 50% from the field with the SAME number of shot attempts. Figure that out and you'll realize fg% is not an accurate measure of scoring efficiency.
points per shot attempt is alot more accurate since it takes into account the difference between shooting 2s and shooting 3s. if player A goes 3/9 from the field shooting only 3s, he can score 9 points on 33 FG%. If player B goes 4/9 from the field shooting only 2s, he can score 8 points on 44 FG%. looking at fg% by itself wouldn't tell you that player A was more efficient scoring the ball than player B since he scored 1 more points on the same 9 shots.
TS% is also good since it takes into account FTs.
I may not use stats as the bedrock of my arguments, however I will use it to counter fallacious statistical arguments.
Per 36 is an irrelevant stat for players who get starter's minutes. Looking at season/career averages , Michael eclipses Kobe in damn near everything.
Kobe barely played his first 2 seasons. Thats why I use the per 36. Then he spent 7 years playing with Shaq.
per game numbers are just as irrelevant as the per 36 when it comes to Kobe and Jordan since Mike never had to play with another high usage player like Shaq that took up as many shot attempts as him. If Jordan played with a Shaq type player his first 7 seasons, his per game scoring numbers would DIP.
scoring efficiency wise, they are IDENTICAL. only reason the fg% number looks low on Kobe is because he attempted alot more 3s than Jordan throughout his career.