Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[Wargames]

Contract year or not I'd still want Mirotic and Butler over Melo, especially since Mirotic looks like the very rare faceup big that can play defense & rebound. Mirotic was a known commodity, as in he was the best European prospect in the world for the last couple years, two players 23 and 25 that will provide more for less than Melo for a much longer time.

Melo is not a decent defender this year, he's not going to be a decent defender in 2 years and he won't be a decent defender 4 years from now when he's making nearly $30 million a season. Your last point about the Bulls letting Butler walk is exactly why I would have pressed them for a S&T with the hopes of getting Butler & Mirotic in the package for Melo.

The Knicks are in the same exact position they would have been without Melo, they would have more caproom this summer, except with a more balanced squad and a much brighter future moving forward. Now, you're back to relying on the FA market and praying on the unlikely event that Marc Gasol leaves a much better team to come play in NY.

1) Mirotec is not a known commodity. He is the fifth option averaging 8 points. He is a good prospect at best from a weak european league.
2) Melo is doing a decent job at defending
3) your thinking short team. This season the tank is the tank. The knicks need both Bigs who can pass, and a superior scorer (who can pass and post) like Melo to make the triangle work. By next season they should have what they need to make moves
4) the knicks have a lottery pick, are likely going to make a few trades before this season is up, and a shyt load 30 -40 million in cap. Losing Melo means the 2010 Amare situation happens again where the knicks overpay somebody to build around. With Melo the knicks have somebody to build around already.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Nah, the positive for them is they actually have a draft pick this year and there are some bigs in it.

fukk a big at this point. We need an all star caliber point guard.

 

[DirtyD]

http://www.tankathon.com/

fukk Josh Smith and fukk Sam Hinkie we coming for that number one spot.

 

[Malta]

1) Mirotec is not a known commodity. He is the fifth option averaging 8 points. He is a good prospect at best from a weak european league.
2) Melo is doing a decent job at defending
3) your thinking short team. This season the tank is the tank. The knicks need both Bigs who can pass, and a superior scorer (who can pass and post) to make the triangle work. By next season they should have what they need to make moves
4) the knicks have a lottery pick, are likely going to make a few trades before this season is up, and a shyt load 30 -40 million in cap. Losing Melo means the 2010 Amare situation happens again where the knicks overpay somebody to build around. With Melo the knicks have somebody to build around already.

1. You don't even know how to spell Mirotic's name and you're making declarations about what he is and isn't? He is a known commodity and has been for a while now, example -


This is from 2012

Headline is "Bulls should make Mirotic untouchable"

A source within an NBA front office told Sheridan Hoops he considers Real Madrid’s Nikola Mirotic to be the best NBA prospect still playing in Europe.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/1...able-euroleague-heats-up/#v9mfLruyxOLlPHk6.99




This is from 2013 -

Nikola Mirotichas established himself as the best player in European basketball since being drafted by the Chicago Bulls in 2011. How has he evolved fromthe last time we evaluated him, and what type of NBA player could he become if he decides to leave Real Madrid and sign with the Bulls?

This is from July of 2014

Don’t understand? Don’t worry, neither do I. But what you do need to know is that three-word Montenegrin statement could change the NBA and very well could be the missing ingredient to the Chicago Bulls’ championship formula; The Next Toni Kukoc. Introducing the best player in Europe and possibly the best European player since the great Dirk Nowitzki: Nikola Mirotic. Don’t know him? Don’t worry about that either, you will very soon.

Notice a theme there? since he was drafted he's been the best European prospect in the World, and those numbers you're quoting are those of a rookie. Anyone that watches Bulls games and sees him is impressed.


2. Melo has a 111 defensive rating, that is far from a decent job, the only starter worse than that is Jose Calderon with 112 and he's a notoriously bad defender. But somehow that's "decent" to you.

3. How am I thinking short term when Melo is 30 and locked up until 2019 Long term thinking would have been dropping Melo, getting some quality assets for him in return, making sure to build via the draft and only use free agency to strengthen your squad.

4. Ah yes, relying on the free agency market yet again, Bigs that can do the things you're talking about are coveted and rarely do they switch teams without assets being moved. Please tell me where all these scorers, and good passing big men are going to come from? How did that work out the last time the Knicks had an abundance of caproom?

 

[Malta]

once again get out of here with that bullshyt, multiple teams with professional scouting departments only a few weeks ago were competing to pay Melo the max amount they had available..... but people just got caught up?

As for the knicks roster. Yeah its mostly garbage but all those contracts except Melo, Calderon (not garbage) and the youth are gone this offseason.

Like who? The Rockets didn't even offer him a contract, they wanted Bosh and he was their priority, not Melo. Where were all these teams that made a big play for Melo? The Bulls looked at him like he was a 2006 BMW M5, yeah it's a dope car for it's time and you'd take it for the right price but ain't nobody gonna pay the what the owner is asking for, so the owner just keeps it and takes the loss.

Calderon is 33, he's a good player off the bench but if he's your starter you're not doing anything. Caproom is only good for fortifying what you already have, the Knicks are going to try and rebuild through it in a year when teams will happily max out their players because of the upcoming CBA that will increase contracts. You think the Aldridge and Gasol aren't going to see the full max from their squads, when their teams know those deals will be looked at as bargins in 2 years Good luck trying to rebuild through free agency, that really worked out well last time.

 

[Malta]

fukk a big at this point. We need an all star caliber point guard.

There may be one of those in the draft

 

[The War Report]

People got too caught up with how much he scores, dude isn't a playmaker, isn't a top level defender and currently he has one of the worst defensive ratings on the Knicks. Without a center out there to cover his ass he's pretty shytty on that side of the ball and he's an offensive flow killer, you pass him the ball and the record stops while he decides whether he wants to try and score, or if he can't score and still fires up some bullshyt.

Can anyone look at their garbage roster with a straight face and say the future is bright, you got some young ass teams in the East (Bucks, Celtics, Magic) that are currently playing better than the Knicks even though the Knicks supposedly have the best player. You got his gigantic contract for the next 4 years after this season, while those teams have nothing but young dudes on rookie deals, save for Rondo.

Brehs were all in their feelings when I said that Melo is in the declining phase of his career. A team is never going to win a championship with Melo as its best player. He has to be at best the third best player. He's frustrating to watch. I would of been more excited if we had a young Melo. That dude had a godly first step and would finish hard. This iteration of Melo can't finish at the rim to save his fukking life. If he's not scoring and doesn't have a rim protector to bail his ass out, he's useless.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

There may be one of those in the draft

With the Knicks luck he will get drafted one pick before theirs

 

[Malta]

Brehs, where all in their feelings when I said that Melo is in the declining phase of career. A team is never going to win a championship with Melo as its best player. He has to be at best the third best player. He's frustrating to watch. I would been more excited if we had a young Melo. That dude had a godly first step and would finish hard. This iteration of Melo can't finish at the rim to save his fukking life. If he's not scoring and doesn't have a rim protector to bail his ass out, he's useless.

I really don't understand how anyone can watch him play and think it was a good idea to re-sign him, especially when there are so many young but obviously talented teams in the East. Like @the white hiphop thief said his game isn't all that nice to watch, you know when he gets it he's looking to score and nothing else.

Their only hope is that they kill it in the draft this year and get a franchise player, anyone hoping on landing some great player in FA is bugging. They should be looking to trade Hardway and Shumpert to any team that would offer them a first rounder(s).

 

[Malta]

With the Knicks luck he will get drafted one pick before theirs

The only teams you gotta worry about are the Lakers, Pacers and Pistons, if the Knicks end up in the top 5 a lot of the other bottom squads in the NBA have PGs already.

 

[onelastdeath]

There may be one of those in the draft

Please Lord

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

fukk a big at this point. We need an all star caliber point guard.

We need both, we're terrible in the front court and at pg. We can't go wrong with Towns, Okafor, or Mudiay, they all seem like franchise players, but I'd rather have Okafor out of all of them; his post game is good now, and will probably be godly with a few years of pro experience, also he's the safest pick imo. Mudiay and Towns do seem like they have more potential though. Just gotta pray we don't fall outside the top 3 this offseason.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Yeah, I'm officially done. Melo is overrated & we never should've signed him, word .

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

I thought the Knicks had a shot to be decent this year. WTF?

 

[Wargames]

1. You don't even know how to spell Mirotic's name and you're making declarations about what he is and isn't? He is a known commodity and has been for a while now, example -


This is from 2012

Headline is "Bulls should make Mirotic untouchable"



http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/1...able-euroleague-heats-up/#v9mfLruyxOLlPHk6.99




This is from 2013 -



This is from July of 2014


Notice a theme there? since he was drafted he's been the best European prospect in the World, and those numbers you're quoting are those of a rookie. Anyone that watches Bulls games and sees him is impressed.


2. Melo has a 111 defensive rating, that is far from a decent job, the only starter worse than that is Jose Calderon with 112 and he's a notoriously bad defender. But somehow that's "decent" to you.

3. How am I thinking short term when Melo is 30 and locked up until 2019 Long term thinking would have been dropping Melo, getting some quality assets for him in return, making sure to build via the draft and only use free agency to strengthen your squad.

4. Ah yes, relying on the free agency market yet again, Bigs that can do the things you're talking about are coveted and rarely do they switch teams without assets being moved. Please tell me where all these scorers, and good passing big men are going to come from? How did that work out the last time the Knicks had an abundance of caproom?

1) I am not bothering to remember the correct spelling of a fifth option player on the bulls averaging 8 pts this season..... so look lets call him miro.... Until Miro grows into a 7+ foot tall shooting guard you shouldn't compare him to dirk. Its disrespectful to Dirk. comparing a guy who is scoring around 11 pts a game his last 10 games to Melo is disrespectful of Melo.
2) He was a bad defender but he has been doing a better job every year he's been in NY. Especially now that he isn't guarding 4's on the switch due to bad schemes.
3) I was for trading melo if melo wanted a sign and trade, but even then keeping him was better. He can score inside and out, He does pass, shyt look at his stats from tonights game. He's had a few games with over 5 assist this season. And once again he can get his points every game inspite of defenses preping for him and a ton of double teams.
4) The knicks will likely have Max FA room 2 years in a row and a lottery pick this year in addition to having Melo and the ability to re-sign anyone on their roster now dirt cheap this year as well. Also for a shytty roster they aren't being completely blown out a few piece would be good to keep. Also the market has a scoring/passing big man by default the knicks can get, Monroe. His biggest flaw at defense requires the knicks pair him with a defensive big..... I wonder where they can get one cheap.....



oh year the draft

Like who? The Rockets didn't even offer him a contract, they wanted Bosh and he was their priority, not Melo. Where were all these teams that made a big play for Melo? The Bulls looked at him like he was a 2006 BMW M5, yeah it's a dope car for it's time and you'd take it for the right price but ain't nobody gonna pay the what the owner is asking for, so the owner just keeps it and takes the loss.

Calderon is 33, he's a good player off the bench but if he's your starter you're not doing anything. Caproom is only good for fortifying what you already have, the Knicks are going to try and rebuild through it in a year when teams will happily max out their players because of the upcoming CBA that will increase contracts. You think the Aldridge and Gasol aren't going to see the full max from their squads, when their teams know those deals will be looked at as bargins in 2 years Good luck trying to rebuild through free agency, that really worked out well last time.

5) Melo made a documentary of teams kissing his ass the whole summer was about Melo, Lebron, and Bosh deciding where they were going.

6) If you readup on the triangle Calderon is sufficient as a PG.

7) the whole point of having Melo is to avoid a complete rebuild

8) This is my last response to this bullshyt you got me going over stats like I was Zema