Pitchers Win Loss record is the most irrelavant thing in baseball
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Cowboyz89
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Baseball is the most irrelevant thing in baseball.
Garbage sport.
Garbage sport.
You're just mad Texas baseball teams have more success than the Cowboys this century
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I agree with the OP. Price has a shytty ERA and a great record that's totally misleading. I remember a few years ago cliff lee had one around 2 I think, and maybe Felix Hernandez did too, yet each of them had a record near .500, with lee getting the worst run support in the major leagues.
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if you dont like baseball, why the hell would you post in a baseball thread?
you really couldnt help yourself...
Nah it needs to stay how it is. Price won't be winning any awards or anything if his ERA stays high.
Felix Hernandez didn't have a good win/loss ratio the year he won the Cy Young but we all knew he was the best pitcher the team just couldn't score
Felix Hernandez didn't have a good win/loss ratio the year he won the Cy Young but we all knew he was the best pitcher the team just couldn't score
Quality Start is defined as 6 IP and 3 runs or less.
That's a 4.50 ERA.
A "quality start" isn't even a quality start.
While I agree that Wins and Losses are not the best ways to define a pitcher, it remains a decent part of the conversation when taken as a part of a collection of other stats...over a large sample size.
Also, Wins meant a hell of a lot more in prior generations where throwing Complete Games was a lot more common.
Doc Gooden won 24 games in 1985 with 16 Complete Games. And there are a lot of other reasons why that season was incredible, but just on wins alone, that's a heck of a lot more impressive than Justin Verlander winning 24 games in 2011 with 4 CGs.
I feel bad for Chris Sale. White Sox started off so good this year but now we're struggling to stay at 500. To bad Sale couldn't go every game. White Sox have the best pitcher in baseball and we have nothing to show for it but 4th place in a tough division.
god shamgod
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The game changed whip,fip,babip,k/9,k and walk rates etc all are better ways to gauge a pitcher than won loss and era.
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I feel bad for Chris Sale. White Sox started off so good this year but now we're struggling to stay at 500. To bad Sale couldn't go every game. White Sox have the best pitcher in baseball and we have nothing to show for it but 4th place in a tough division.
the al central aint tough the white sox just suck.
Bilz
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ERA can also be a misleading stat. Does the pitcher have a good defense behind him? Does he pitch to contact once he has a lead?
To be fair to @jerniebert
The White Sox are 37-37 which isn't bad.
They just can't seem to score enough runs (currently 20th in runs scored)...which probably has a lot to do with how little power they have (27th in slugging)
You'd think with Abreu and Frazier they'd be crushing it, but
(Especially disappointing about Abreu because he looked like legit 45 HR power 2 years ago)
Yeah, there are things that try to adjust for that though.
Just last year I tried to tell a buddy of mine to get rid of Shelby Miller because I thought he had peaked early on.
Dude didn't listen. And Miller went from a 2.38 ERA in the 1st half, to 3.83 in the 2nd
And I'm pretty sure at one point in May or June his ERA was still under 2.00
