THE DIDDY FEDERAL TRIAL (CASE OVER - VERDICT NEXT WEEK)

Whats verdict?

  • Guilty

    Votes: 271 63.3%
  • Not Guilty

    Votes: 157 36.7%

  • Total voters
    428

EzekelRAGE

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A lot of people think Diageo is spanking him, but I think Diageo just stopped protecting him after the partnership ended. They had a vested interest in keeping his image clean that they don’t have anymore.
That's more likely. Also the time stamp on that part is 5:10, you should probably put that on the post. Had to sit thru 5 minutes of bullshyt to get to that part :francis:
 

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A lot of people think Diageo is spanking him, but I think Diageo just stopped protecting him after the partnership ended. They had a vested interest in keeping his image clean that they don’t have anymore.



I forgot who said it. It may have been Dylan. But he said the lawyers behind Cassie's original suit were Diageo's people.



Dylan worked for Puff as a Ciroc boy brand ambassador and DJ after Making The Band so he knows the insides of the liquor part of Puff's biz.
 

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What none of yall are saying is that in Diageo’s lawsuit they said Diddy got basically a billion dollars from them. His wealth was inflated and he was basically a glorified brand ambassador.

They were paying for a lot of shyt for him . Diddy was acting like he owned more than he actually did. They basically gave him money and he was balling out of control. A lot of that money prob was spent on Freakoffs. They didn’t get much of a ROI for their deal with him.

Then he sued them and they was like this nikka got some nerve we gave him free money for over a decade and he got the nerve to sue us.
 

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Marc Agnifilo did a good job in his closing. I was at times critical of parts of his closing. However, I included a caveat that I was not in the courtroom observing the jury and how he was reading the jury. In closing arguments, you should always be attentive to the jurors to see if you can read them, and to see if your arguments are landing or not.

It appears that Agnifilo connected with the jurors in his closing. @genjustlaw (who was in court) reported that after Agnifilo finished his closing, applause broke out both inside and outside the courtroom. That could be big. It may be an indirect pressure on the jurors. We’ll see.

Although he did a good job, there is one important point I would’ve liked Agnifilo to have made. It is about coercion. Coercion is very central to this case. In SDNY, coercion for sex trafficking is deemed to have two necessary components: a subjective element and an objective element. The subjective element requires the jury to determine if the evidence showed that the alleged victim felt coerced to engage in the acts. Normally, this element is not difficult for the govt. In this case, the jury could find that the evidence showed that Jane and Cassie felt coerced.

But that’s not the end of the matter. The jury also has to find that the objective element was present. The objective element requires the jury to determine whether a reasonable person would’ve felt coerced under the circumstances. This element is the more difficult one for the govt and more favorable to the defense. One of the reasons this element can be good for the defense is that even though the mythical and objective reasonable person is the standard, jurors invariably use themselves as the yardstick. Each juror will say to himself or herself, “I am a reasonable person; would I have felt coerced in that situation?” If the jurors apply this reasonable person standard by asking themselves the above question, I find it hard to believe that all 12 jurors will conclude that the objective standard was met and that Cassie and Jane were coerced under the circumstances.

Female jurors are known to be tougher on female alleged victims; thus, I can see the female jurors concluding that they would not have felt coerced under the circumstances because they could have simply refused. Just my speculation.

Even though the jury will be instructed by the judge about the subjective and objective elements of coercion discussed above, I still think Agnifilo should have discussed it in closing. Some lawyers don’t like to talk about jury instructions during closing, but I do. One of the reasons I talk about it is that the jury instructions are long and boring. People tend to remember things that are repeated. So, if defense lawyer talks about or emphasizes certain parts of the jury instructions in his closing, when the judge later reads the long and boring instructions, the parts previously emphasized by the defense counsel are likely to jump out at the jurors because it would be a repetition of what they previously heard. As counsel, you want the jurors to remember and focus on the parts of the jury instructions that favor your case.

The next steps in the case would be the judge reading the instructions to the jury. Afterwards, the remaining alternates will be dismissed, the main jury will leave the courtroom, go the jury room and begin the deliberation. Deliberation is perhaps the most nerve-wrecking time for the lawyers and for the defendant. They are all helpless as they await the jury verdict.
 

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What none of yall are saying is that in Diageo’s lawsuit they said Diddy got basically a billion dollars from them. His wealth was inflated and he was basically a glorified brand ambassador.

They were paying for a lot of shyt for him . Diddy was acting like he owned more than he actually did. They basically gave him money and he was balling out of control. A lot of that money prob was spent on Freakoffs. They didn’t get much of a ROI for their deal with him.

Then he sued them and they was like this nikka got some nerve we gave him free money for over a decade and he got the nerve to sue us.

Puff definitely helped Diageo’s brand grow. They wouldn’t have been paying him that amount of money for that long if they weren’t profiting massively off of him.
 

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Puff definitely helped Diageo’s brand grow. They wouldn’t have been paying him that amount of money for that long if they weren’t profiting massively off of him.

They definitely profited off his work. He had Ciroc popping all over the world. Also, the lawsuit revealed that Diddy got a fortune from them. It seems he just went off the deep end as that's the most money he's probably made in his life, when he got paid by Ciroc. And his life turned into a 24/7 freak off.

I think he got turned out by the LA lifestyle too. Which is weird, because he'd been rich for a super long time, and came up in NY. I could swear in the early 90's they said Diddy didn't even do drugs or smoke weed. I wonder when that changed for him.
 

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They definitely profited off his work. He had Ciroc popping all over the world. Also, the lawsuit revealed that Diddy got a fortune from them. It seems he just went off the deep end as that's the most money he's probably made in his life, when he got paid by Ciroc. And his life turned into a 24/7 freak off.

I think he got turned out by the LA lifestyle too. Which is weird, because he'd been rich for a super long time, and came up in NY. I could swear in the early 90's they said Diddy didn't even do drugs or smoke weed. I wonder when that changed for him.

I would argue with people in barbershop that diddy money didn't come from music. It was from outside ventures. Clothing, restaurants, endorsements, real estate.

Bad Boy only worth 100m and that's not alot you would think it's more. People don't realize Diddy gotta pay those above him. They getting their cut first and they probably taking a large percentage.

It makes sense thar the ciroc deal was probably the most he had seen up to that point
 

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I would argue with people in barbershop that diddy money didn't come from music. It was from outside ventures. Clothing, restaurants, endorsements, real estate.

Bad Boy only worth 100m and that's not alot you would think it's more. People don't realize Diddy gotta pay those above him. They getting their cut first and they probably taking a large percentage.

It makes sense thar the ciroc deal was probably the most he had seen up to that point
I talked about it earlier in this thread,.. Diddy hit a lick with Ciroc
 

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I think he got turned out by the LA lifestyle too.
Gene Deal said as much in one of the vlad interviews he did. He said the Puff that's running around now isnt the Puff that he knew when Puff stayed in New York. He said he changed when he went to LA and/or Miami. He said he started doing hard drugs and stuff then.
 

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I think he got turned out by the LA lifestyle too. Which is weird, because he'd been rich for a super long time, and came up in NY. I could swear in the early 90's they said Diddy didn't even do drugs or smoke weed. I wonder when that changed for him.

I would argue with people in barbershop that diddy money didn't come from music. It was from outside ventures. Clothing, restaurants, endorsements, real estate.

Bad Boy only worth 100m and that's not alot you would think it's more. People don't realize Diddy gotta pay those above him. They getting their cut first and they probably taking a large percentage.

It makes sense thar the ciroc deal was probably the most he had seen up to that point


When Puff made that transition from Music Mogul/Russ Simmons lite to P.DIDDY lifestyle/brand ambassador/SEAN JOHN/CIROC BOY.


Thats when the kinks and weirdo shyt started happening. Thats part of the game it seems. Alot of this weird sexual behavior is clearly learned from the elite's/illuminati. Lord Jamar talks about it all the time. He feels Puff went in them rooms to become who he became. Thats how they give it up in them fashion circles word to Kanye being exposed for being at them same parties.
 
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