Platform-wise just how conservative is Donald Trump?

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Trump Is Viable in a General Election and Has Left-flanked Hilary
2016 FEBRUARY 7
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by Ian Welsh
Donald TrumpHe’s a nativist populist.

Yesterday, during the debate he said that he wanted something even better than the single payer that Sanders is offering. Then he said that people are dying on the street (from poverty) and that he’d make that stop.

If Trump is the general election candidate, he left-flanks Hilary on economics. It is not even close. He wants bilateral trade deals (if you are anti-“free trade,” you want this too.) He does not want to diminish Medicare and SS. He wants universal health care.

His policy platform is pitched to appeal to the working class. They don’t like immigrants, and under the current economic regime, that makes sense: They are competing for the same jobs, and there aren’t enough jobs. I favor immigration, but you have to have an economy set up to deal with it. Right now the US does not.

Trump’s got a minority problem. They aren’t going to vote for him.

But he has the ability to mobilize huge swathes of the white working, lower and middle classes.

He’s also less of a hawk than Clinton on foreign affairs.

A lot of people think he can’t win the primary, and he can’t win the general. I’m really not sure. He has the potential to be a real phenomenon. He parses as an outsider. He feels like a “conservative,” but his actual economic policies are left-wing and populist.

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He gets past, then, as many Americans desire to vote for the conservative. He will peel off a chunk of people who would usually vote Democratic for economic policy reasons. He is more credible on SS and Medicare than Clinton, which will appeal to the olds.

Steal Bernie’s free college plank (or offer something close to it), and he could clean up amongst youngsters as well.

Nothing’s guaranteed, but…

And, for the record, I think he’s more palatable than Cruz, the other front-runner. It isn’t like either of them are good candidates from my point-of-view, but Cruz is saying even crazier things than Trump, without any of the good stuff, and appears far, far more severe.

Both, are, of course, scum. Trump fell over himself to talk about how he’d torture yesterday, and I’ll have no truck with such.

But amongst evils, he’s not the worst, and that’s what American elections are about.

Pick yer poison.

Trump Is Viable in a General Election and Has Left-flanked Hilary | Ian Welsh
 

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And he is socially conservative and repugnant but so is Hilary.
 

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The answer is that nobody knows. His previous books on politics demonstrate a lot of very left-wing ideas. He supported a one-time tax on the wealthiest Americans to completely eliminate the national debt. Pretty sure he also supported single-payer healthcare at one point (but don't quote me on that). EDIT: Yes, he has supported single payer. Donald Trump wants to replace Obamacare with a single-payer health care system, GOP congressman says

Donald Trump says whatever he wants, whenever he wants, even if he contradicts himself. We can only speculate as to what he really thinks. :manny:

EDIT2: What Trump is proving right now, quite terrifyingly, is that it's possible to be very "liberal" on a host of issues in today's GOP, so long as one supplements that liberalism with a healthy dose of anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, nationalist rhetoric. Or alternatively, that it is possible to have "once" been very liberal, so long as you have that same rhetoric.
 
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EDIT2: What Trump is proving right now, quite terrifyingly, is that it's possible to be very "liberal" on a host of issues in today's GOP, so long as one supplements that liberalism with a healthy dose of anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, nationalist rhetoric. Or alternatively, that it is possible to have "once" been very liberal, so long as you have that same rhetoric.

The same holds true of Hilary though o its both parties.
 

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Trump will move left in the general on economics and foreign policy.

Conservative and liberal are poor labels. Trumps a conservative in a more traditional sense than anyone left in the race imo.

Depends on what you mean by "traditional sense."

He's not especially religious, which I would argue is a big part of conservatism in the "traditional sense." :ld:
 

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The same holds true of Hilary though o its both parties.

Hillary has anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, nationalist rhetoric?

Hillary's problem is that she's been too "moderate" for far too long to be considered credible. The democratic base has left her behind, and she was too busy doing whatever to notice. Now she's trying to pretend like she was "for" these things all along, but nobody believes her.
 

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Hillary has anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, nationalist rhetoric?

Hillary's problem is that she's been too "moderate" for far too long to be considered credible. The democratic base has left her behind, and she was too busy doing whatever to notice. Now she's trying to pretend like she was "for" these things all along, but nobody believes her.
I can't stand to hear her talk anymore. shyts awlful. She'll pander to anyone :scust:
 

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Proof?

Or are you just mad he doesn't support reperations



DOJ: Trump’s Early Businesses Blocked Blacks

I know this is HL so pardon my language but you are a fukking idiot. I'm getting fed up with guys like you. Making a dumbass sarcastic response about "reparations". Just because we have no record of Trump saying "******" doesn't mean he is not against the interests of Black people. Stop thinking someone can only be racist if they say the N word.

Watch that video and read that entire article in the link and see if you still repeat your bullshyt. Tired of people never doing research.
 
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