Players you would take over Pippen to start a franchise

[Wacky D]

^^^i never said pippen had multiple 50-win seasons. he didnt even play multiple seasons as the star to begin with.

and i dont think you understand the difference between being thee guy and being 1A. i realized this a couple posts ago but i let it slide.

and lets be clear. melo is one of my favorite players right now. i would never chit on him unless lala threw me the pu$$.

 

[HiphopRelated]

exactly. it seems like the nba darn near wrote the years when jordan was gone out of the record books. dudes in here trippin with the granger/gay comparisons.

the only current players i'd take over pippen are lebron, rose, prime kobe & prime duncan.

and i'll draft wade too, even tho pippen is better. wade would be a more ideal choice to build a franchise around tho.

the rest of these dudes being mentioned: the melos, durants, cp3s, dwights, etc. theyre moreso 1a guys rather than #1s . these dudes arent raking in 50 win seasons in the mid-90s with their best teammates being horrace grant & bj armstrong. no disrespect to them. they made the all-star game that year, btw.

Wade after handing over the keys, put up a year(with a suspect knee) comparable to any of Pippen's best and was being called washed up.

There's a clear difference in status there

 

[Wacky D]

^theres a difference in eras as well homie.

but yea, that drive is the reason why i would build around wade before pip. but i cant say hes better than pippen. its close tho.

 

[Kings County]

kendrick perkins

 

[mastermind]

^^^i never said pippen had multiple 50-win seasons.

the rest of these dudes being mentioned: the melos, durants, cp3s, dwights, etc. theyre moreso 1a guys rather than #1s . these dudes arent raking in 50 win seasons in the mid-90s with their best teammates being horrace grant & bj armstrong. no disrespect to them. they made the all-star game that year, btw.

you did

and i dont think you understand the difference between being thee guy and being 1A. i realized this a couple posts ago but i let it slide.

slim, you dont know the difference between being "thee guy" and being 1A. You tried to claim Pippen was a player who could be "thee guy" based off one season, and in that season he had a migraine and Toni Kukoc hit a game winning shot while pippen was mad on the bench.

 

[Wacky D]

i might add dwight to the list. it depends. for this era, i would build around dwight first. but put dwight in pippen's era with all those legendary big guys and i pass. no thanks.

so thats 4-6 players:
bron, rose, prime kobe, prime duncan
wade & maybe dwight(even tho those 2 arent better than pippen)

you did


slim, you dont know the difference between being "thee guy" and being 1A. You tried to claim Pippen was a player who could be "thee guy" based off one season, and in that season he had a migraine and Toni Kukoc hit a game winning shot while pippen was mad on the bench.

the comment you quoted doesnt indicate that i said pippen had multiple 50-win seasons. thats just how you took it. granted, i used the word "seasonS" so i see where youre coming from. but you know what i meant dog. cmon now. youre looking desperate trying to build an argument based off a typo.

you get mad at me for mentioning one season but youre focusing on one play. mo williams hit game winners instead of lebron. paxson & kerr hit game-winners instead of jordan & pippen, etc, etc.

no homie, YOU dont know the difference between thee guy and 1a. carmelo was never THEE man in any of those 50-win denver teams. meaning, the next best player was more of a 1b than a #2 . iverson & billups were 1bs homie. and now stoudemire is his 1b. you get what im saying here? it was his team but it wasnt HIS. it wasnt like say bron in cleveland or wade in miami(aside from the 1st couple years with shaq, and of course now).

and then you have dudes like bosh in toronto, cp3 in new orleans, d-will in utah. they were THEE guys but are better equipped for 1a or 1b roles, imo.

i mean, that is unless denver had a 50-win team before the iverson trade. i dont recall.

 

[feelosofer]

exactly. it seems like the nba darn near wrote the years when jordan was gone out of the record books. dudes in here trippin with the granger/gay comparisons.

the only current players i'd take over pippen are lebron, rose, prime kobe & prime duncan.

and i'll draft wade too, even tho pippen is better. wade would be a more ideal choice to build a franchise around tho.

the rest of these dudes being mentioned: the melos, durants, cp3s, dwights, etc. theyre moreso 1a guys rather than #1s . these dudes arent raking in 50 win seasons in the mid-90s with their best teammates being horrace grant & bj armstrong. no disrespect to them. they made the all-star game that year, btw.

This, a lot people don't realize Pippen was a borderline elite player in his own right even a Pippen was good in Houston and Portland. I would take Pippen over most of the SF in the NBA today, the only people who have close to Pippens skillset are maybe Rudy Gay and Granger and Pippen had a wetter mid-range game than boths. Pippen is versatile as hell and he could basically succeed in any offensive system, thats what I look for in a Franchise player. The only guys better are Bron, Melo, Durant and arguably Paul Pierce, thats it.

 

[god shamgod]

Revisionists/kobe stans overrate pippen

Anyone who watched that era knows pippen was a danny granger,rudy gay type player he wasnt a franchise player who could carry a team.That 94 season was a TEAM effort with a 3x title team that added kerr,kukoc and had career years from bj armstrong and horace grant(who was in a contract year)

In 95 pippen put up identical numbers and the bulls were .500(6-7 seed) all year before jordan came back,nobody mentions that

 

[Wacky D]

^nothing revisionist about it playboy.

replace pippen with jordan on those '94-95 teams and they dont win much more than they did. and youre gonna get less production from the teams, especially bj armstrong.

This, a lot people don't realize Pippen was a borderline elite player in his own right even a Pippen was good in Houston and Portland. I would take Pippen over most of the SF in the NBA today, the only people who have close to Pippens skillset are maybe Rudy Gay and Granger and Pippen had a wetter mid-range game than boths. Pippen is versatile as hell and he could basically succeed in any offensive system, thats what I look for in a Franchise player. The only guys better are Bron, Melo, Durant and arguably Paul Pierce, thats it.

cosign.

except i'll say pippen is better than all those SFs outside of bron.

but yea, history can be misinterpreted at times. the only fault pippen had is that he was drafted from a mid-major to play with one of the goats. so basically hes seen as a sidekick because he didnt establish his name to the masses before playing with jordan. and it doesnt help that he played SF side-by-side with jordan as opposed to playing PF or C.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

i might add dwight to the list. it depends. for this era, i would build around dwight first. but put dwight in pippen's era with all those legendary big guys and i pass. no thanks.

so thats 4-6 players:
bron, rose, prime kobe, prime duncan
wade & maybe dwight(even tho those 2 arent better than pippen)

:slowdown: i would add more people, starting wit kg :winningmanning: melo, kd, prime kidd, dirk, chris paul, prime paul pierce, prime nash

 

[Wacky D]

nah.

you can make a case for garnett tho.

and some of those guys already had better squads than pippen and did less.

some of those guys, i wouldnt want to build a franchise around at all to be honest.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

nah.

you can make a case for garnett tho.

and some of those guys already had better squads than pippen and did less.

some of those guys, i wouldnt want to build a franchise around at all to be honest.

kidd and kg both played most of they career wit below/average level players, and both took they teams as far as was going to go, kg played on 2 seasons on a team wit the most talent in the league, and one year they won and they other he got hurt for the season, i would take all them dudes over pip, players owe they entire careers to kidd(kmart), pip was never that caliber imo

and if kg was a secondary player on a team he would have been better than pippin at that to

 

[Wacky D]

kidd and kg both played most of they career wit below/average level players, and both took they teams as far as was going to go, kg played on 2 seasons on a team wit the most talent in the league, and one year they won and they other he got hurt for the season, i would take all them dudes over pip, players owe they entire careers to kidd(kmart), pip was never that caliber imo

and if kg was a secondary player on a team he would have been better than pippin at that to

yea. im not arguing with garnett. i think pippen is better but im not batting an eye at the thought of garnett being better. no argument here.

i was never extremely high on kidd. i cant say hes better than pip, but hes a great point guard so i can dig it. same scenario with a big man like dwight. but cmon man, he never played with mediocre talent. even the weak rosters he was on had a good 3 or 4-man nucleus. but him taking those nets teams to the finals tho......

edit: i just realized that the nets went to back-to-back finals in this past decade while the knicks barely made the playoffs. how are they seen as their little brothers?(for the record, im ridin wit this current knicks squad hardbody no homo)

 

[C-Styles]

Pippen was a special player in his own right, you can't really compare anyone to Pip period, you guys forget real easily and didn't watch as many of his games as I did. Pippen did what everyone is lazy to do today and that's play DEFENSE! His defense was unmatched in his prime! his assignments in the playoffs were to guard either the best player or the star Point guards of the opposing team. His defense at the right time was the reason the Bulls pulled away from most of these hard teams from the 90's. To the person that said he'd pick Durant over Pip, The finals should have told you everything you needed to know about him... stop it please!!! Pippen would crush any of these current players in his prime, lets end it here..