Police Commissioner Defends Giving Tanks And Automatic Weapons To Cops

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/22/3614322/us-mayors-ferguson-recommendations/


Police Commissioner Defends Giving Tanks And Automatic Weapons To Cops


Following the national outcry over police killings of unarmed African Americans in Ferguson and Staten Island, President Obama created a task force of police chiefs, activists, lawyers and professors to brainstorm ways to reform police-community relations across the country. Today, mayors from cities of all sizes had a chance to weigh in on that report at a conference in Washington, DC, where they offered an array of recommendations including more training for police officers on de-escalating tense situations, dealing with the mentally ill, and the use of social media, body cameras and other technology to gather information.

But the Task Force chair Charles Ramsey, also Philadelphia’s police commissioner, expressed reluctance about changing one of the most visible and controversial aspects of modern policing: the armored vehicles, automatic weapons and other military equipment that has flowed free of charge to police departments across the country.

Some mayors at the conference in DC raised concerns about the program, saying, “We have a faction of the community who says, ‘We don’t want that.'” But Ramsey shot back, defending the controversial program by referencing the recent shootings at a satirical magazine and Kosher market in Paris.


“If you have a situation like we had in Paris, you don’t want a cop to show up with a flashlight and a baton,” he said. “The term ‘militarizing the police’ sounds so bad, but to take away equipment just because someone thinks it looks military-like is a problem.”

When ThinkProgress pressed him on whether police in Ferguson and other cities used the equipment inappropriately, he acknowledged that there need to be stricter policies and better training.

“We need to be clear about under what circumstances should the equipment be deployed and guidelines about how to deploy it properly in those cases, but that doesn’t mean that there’s not a need for it,” he said. “But is there some that they don’t need? Probably.”

Other recommendations from the mayors’ working group are raising concerns around privacy and free speech. The group stopped short of recommending that all police wear body cameras, but called them an “important tool” along with vehicle-mounted cameras, license plate readers and facial recognition software.

They also state: “Departments should understand, monitor and make use of social media,” a recommendation that raised a red flag for Kade Crockford with the American Civil Liberties Union in Boston. Crockford told ThinkProgress that police all over the country already monitor social media, use special software programs to map social networks and search for keywords, and target people involved in peaceful protesting. In many cases, police have made arrests based on protected speech.

“It certainly chills free speech,” said Crockford, citing the intense monitoring of the Occupy and Black Lives Matter movements . “Just because police can monitor social media doesn’t mean it’s a good use of law enforcement resources or that it’s appropriate. It seems to me, the way they use it now has more to do with controlling political events than protecting public safety.”

Responding to these concerns, Mayor Karen Freeman-Wilson of Gary, Indiana told ThinkProgress that “there is no expectation of privacy” when it comes to social media. “We understand the First Amendment, but at the same time we have to enhance and encourage that the police use all the tools available to them.”

Ron Davis with the Justice Department’s Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program added that police should use social media just as much to disseminate information as to collect it. But police departments’ social media efforts have also backfired thus far. When the New York Police Department launched the #MyNYPD hashtag last spring, encouraging people to tweet about positive encounters with the cops, the trending hashtag was quickly inundated with stories and photos of police brutality and discrimination.

Regardless, Davis maintained that social media must be a piece of the sweeping overhaul of cop culture President Obama called for when he established the task force.

“We have an opportunity to redefine community policing in a democratic society,” he said. “It’s more than an absence of crime, but the presence of justice.”
 

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but to take away equipment just because someone thinks it looks military-like is a problem.”

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it's a fukking tank:dahell:
 
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They go on the radio and news stating the reasons they have this stuff "We are out-gunned by the bad guys and they have more advanced weapons than we do". We all know he isn't speaking on the drug dealers or the gang members cause non of them have their own drones, tanks or helicopters. That's a metaphor for the American People..
 

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They go on the radio and news stating the reasons they have this stuff "We are out-gunned by the bad guys and they have more advanced weapons than we do". We all know he isn't speaking on the drug dealers or the gang members cause non of them have their own drones, tanks or helicopters. That's a metaphor for the American People..

How are they outgunned when the cops always have more members in their gang?
 

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“We have an opportunity to redefine community policing in a democratic society,” he said. “It’s more than an absence of crime, but the presence of justice.”

absolutely terrifying. justice without crime means everyone is the enemy. good post.
 

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i dont really have a problem with most of the equipment, i can see some justified tactical reasons for special situations, whether it be the LA AK47 bank robbery or some barricade situation where you need the armored vehicle to safely advance. i have a problem with the entire mission of cops. generally, they know how to not abuse certain kinds of people with this equipment, it's cop behavior and accountability that is the issue. if your mission is to only protect and serve cacs, you will still kill black people with .38 specials. the weapons change, but the agenda is the same. the killings that sparked this unrest occurred with choke holds and pistols.
 

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it's a fukking tank:dahell:
when i read that i started thinking of a post right away

aren't a ton of their vehicles military hand me downs anyways?

"we need these armored vehicles in case a terrorist attack happens"

*pulls them out only for protests*




An officer with the Chelan County Sheriff's Department in central Washington is offering me a tank. Three of them, actually.

"We really want to get rid of these," Undersheriff John Wisemore says. "We've been trying to get the military to take them back since 2004."

The tanks came from a vast Defense Department program that has furnished American police arsenals, at no charge, with $4.3 billion worth of combat equipment leftover from two foreign wars. The tanks are amphibious, capable of firing 107-mm mortars—and not remotely useful to Wisemore's rural police department. But the county can't seem to unload them. Back in June, Wisemore got an email from a Defense Department liaison promising to explain how Chelan County can get rid of the tanks. Then, nothing. Until further notice, Wisemore says, "they're just going to sit there."

In the past eight years, the Pentagon program has loaned local law enforcement some 200,000 ammunition magazines, 94,000 machine guns, and thousands of armored vehicles, rifles, aircraft, land mine detectors, silencers, and grenade launchers—all at the request of the local agencies themselves. But images of the unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, of police in military gear cracking down on peaceful protesters, have turned many communities against a program critics say has eroded the line between police officers and soldiers. Recently, in response to the local outcry over aggressive policing tactics, San Jose, California's police department announced plans to return its mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicle (MRAP), and the Los Angeles school system police department has agreed to return its three grenade launchers.




http://www.motherjones.com/politics...truggle-return-pentagon-military-surplus-gear

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html?_r=0
 
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i dont really have a problem with most of the equipment, i can see some justified tactical reasons for special situations, whether it be the LA AK47 bank robbery or some barricade situation where you need the armored vehicle to safely advance. i have a problem with the entire mission of cops. generally, they know how to not abuse certain kinds of people with this equipment, it's cop behavior and accountability that is the issue. if your mission is to only protect and serve cacs, you will still kill black people with .38 specials. the weapons change, but the agenda is the same. the killings that sparked this unrest occurred with choke holds and pistols.

Eh, I don't think that wanting cops to be accountable and a having issues with excessive weaponry are things that are mutually exclusive.

While it's true that the larger issue is cop culture in general, I really don't see any reason for police departments to need grenade launchers and M16s. The problem with this is that -

1. Cops are not soldiers, are not trained like soldiers, are not trained on appropriate use of this equipment, and are not at war. So there's no real reason they need to be armed like soldiers.
2. If police departments have all this military equipment sitting around they're going to be itching to use it and just looking for any plausible reason to do so. Even cops with good intentions (relatively speaking) might get hyped up to use some military equipment.


My view is that cops are cops and soldiers are soldiers. If a situation escalates to the point of needing that kind of gear, then call in the National Guard. That's what they're for.
 
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