Prediction: from 2016+, progressives will become anti-science (Steve pinker on genetic research))

Camile.Bidan

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The science for the nature argument (which includes environmental effects) is becoming surpported strongly by experiment after experiment, but the public's reaction to these studies is to either ignore them or surpress the information. Key example, the study released last month that actually mapped nearly all the genes for intelligence received almost no attention from the media.

I predict that as these studies continue and challenge many of the progressives "nurture only" arguments and their plethera of social construction arguments, the left wing will in engage in herectic-hunting and mass censorship.


I am surprised to see that Dr. Pinker, a big progressise, has even written something like this on a public forum. He will be attacked because of this.



Dr. Pinker from wsj said:
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Steven Pinker on New Advances in Behavioral Genetics


The findings of behavioral genetics have turned out to be substantial and robust,
and new studies are linking genes with behavioral traits like IQ



Behavioral genetics, the study of why people differ, has long been the most vilified subfield of psychology. Its signature findings—that all traits are partly heritable and that the variation that can’t be attributed to genes can’t be attributed to families either—are regularly denied by commentators who consider them too fatalistic.

Yet it is just these results that have escaped the replicability crisis embroiling behavioral science, in which many highly publicized findings have turned out to be flukes.
Unlike the cute but ephemeral journalist bait that comes out of many psychology labs, the findings of behavioral genetics have turned out to be substantial and robust.

Indeed, the heritability of intelligence has recently been corroborated by a new method which complements the classic studies of twins and adoptees and which solves an outstanding puzzle: Where are the genes? Most of the “Gene for X” claims of the 1990s turned out to be false positives that resulted from snooping around genomes in paltry samples. The discrepancy between the robust results from classic family research and the failures of the gene-hunters is called the Mystery of the Missing Heritability.

But new studies looking for small effects of thousands of genes in large samples have pinpointed a few genetic loci that each accounts for a fraction of an IQ point. More studies are in the pipeline and will link those genes to brain development, showing that they are not statistical curiosities. The emerging picture is that most behavioral traits are affected by many, many genes, each accounting for a tiny percentage of the variance.

Biologists are solving a related mystery: What is the additional factor shaping us that cannot be identified with our genes or families? The answer may be luck. We’ve long known that the genome can’t wire the brain down to the last synapse, so there is tremendous room for unpredictable zigzags in development.

Random accidents also shape the genome itself. Each of us inherits about 60 new mutations, and as we live our lives, our neurons fill up with still more mutations, which can affect how our brains work. We are all mutants, so our genes may have an even bigger role in shaping us and our children than we thought: not just the ones we inherited from our ancestors but the ones that we mangled ourselves.

Mr. Pinker is Johnstone Professor of Psychology at Harvard and the author of “The Blank Slate” and “The Better Angels of Our Nature.”
 

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Provide links of all these supposed progressives who think it's 100% nurture. :heh:


You're also cherry picking Pinker's article.
 

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Provide links of all these supposed progressives who think it's 100% nurture. :heh:


You're also cherry picking Pinker's article.
I don't see where I am cherry picking.

there are plenty or 100% nurture progressives.

This video, and the seven part series, shows many humanities professors outright deny any biological influence in our behavior.







news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/12/151211-genetics-intelligence-racism-science/

The most critical speaker at the December meeting was Dorothy Roberts, professor of law and sociology at the University of Pennsylvania. She disagreed with some behavioral geneticists' claims that their work would help intellectually disadvantaged children, who she said would be better served simply by getting more resources. In fact, she said, any research that bolsters the hereditary concept of intelligence could actually hurt the disadvantaged, since it almost inevitably would be used to support “racist, classist, gendered notions of intelligence.”

The bottom line, to Roberts, is that studying the genetics of intelligence “cannot possibly be socially neutral—and in fact will intensify social inequities.
 

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I don't see where I am cherry picking.

there are plenty or 100% nurture progressives.

This video, and the seven part series, shows many humanities professors outright deny any biological influence in our behavior.







news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/12/151211-genetics-intelligence-racism-science/

Fantastic evidence for you claim! Any more sources of the left wing in action?
 

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Fantastic evidence for you claim! Any more sources of the left wing in action?

You wanted links of progressives with 100% nurture arguments. I showed a seven part documentary with 2.5 hours worth interviews with professors who were outright denying biological influences.

Then I linked a quotation from a well known professor saying that biological links shouldn't even be investigated.

I think I fulfilled your request of providing links.


Steve pinker's "The Blank State" has material on this as well.
 

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Its long been known that IQ is caused by hereditary factors. However theres several new sciences that point towards the importance of environmental factors such as neural science and epigenetics. Science has veered more towards the plasticity of the human brain and body as an example of how we arent predestined by our DNA coding. Ironically progressives were the first to admonish the nurture argument with respects towards behavior. The American Eugenics movement of the early 20th century was comprised of "progressives" who felt that it was useless to try and reform criminals and other people who engaged an immoral behavior because they were destined to remain that way and that it was best to sterilize them to prevent them from passing on their faulty genes. We soon learnrd how dumb that logic was
 

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Do you oppose gay marriage?

I don't care about the issue.

I did vote against it back in 2008.

However, my belief in homosexually being a result of nature rather than nurture was the same then as in now. In fact, back then, I believed that nature (meaning heriditary factors) caused everything. Since then, evidence of prenatal effects, random chance, environmental factors (mostly desaese, nutrition and non shared environment), has become strong, so I have modified my beliefs to incorporate new solid evidence. For example, one might have the warrior gene, but being raised by parents that used physical harm as punishment (spanking) seems to be the surest way to express ths effects of the gene for a lifetime. Those, who have the warrior gene, but without harsh physical punishments in the childhood, don't have an adulthood plagued anger and violence. I was beat routinely by my parents, but I don't have the warrior gene, so I am not a violent person. I have a lot of patience when dealing with frustrating people where those beat by their parents and also having the warrior gene may not.


Personally, I think homosexually is disgusting, and don't want it poluting my vision. Religious organizations have a right to deny gay marriage because many religions, like christianity, are explicitly against it. also, male on male sex seems to be the surest way to spread stds, so its also a health risk. At the end of the day, I am just justifing my repulsive response to homosexuality, and coming up with reasons not to like it. I also used my feelings to regulate other people rather than logic. However, we live in a progressive world where we can regulate anything that makes us uncomfortable like speech, symbols, attitudes or anything else. I can play ball too.
 

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However, my belief in homosexually being a result of nature

Personally, I think homosexually is disgusting, and don't want it poluting my vision.

However, we live in a progressive world where we can regulate anything that makes us uncomfortable like speech, symbols, attitudes or anything else. I can play ball too.

How would you regulate homosexuality (especially since gay marriage is irrelevant to you) and on what moral basis do you feel the right to do so?
 
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