President of Morehouse College removed from post. What do you expect Trump to do with HBCU's?

[DrBanneker]

No we don't. Merging inefficient aspects of administration into a larger organization would just consolidate incompetence. The problem even there is that they've tried to get by doing the bare minimum staffing, as well as not giving them the software and infrastructure needed. Now that times are getting leaner, they're going to start getting rid of admin first, because they're the low hanging fruit.

Morehouse needs to modernize and figure out ways to engage alumni and stay relevant. For too long, they've been resting on their laurels, and as a result, they've become irrelevant. They've been doing god-knows-what with endowments for the longest time. I remember Dr. Walter Massey (a former Morehouse president) was turning around and donating money to the Republican party. And let's not forget, a lot of people that attended Morehouse in the past ~20 years are still saddled with student loan debt.

I've always said Morehouse could've reinvented itself 50 years ago by opening the campus up to everyone (males), but keeping tradition/history. Now that the facilities are antiquated...all they *can* do is sell people on the name. Even that pitch has to imply...we'll give you a great undergraduate degree so that you can go to a better school for grad/doctoral studies/med/law degrees.

But is it truly worth 160k, just for an undergrad degree?

You go get a master's/law/med/etc and you are looking at, at least $320k in debt.

I feel you. My idea was actually to merge back office into another organization that could take control of incompetence by taking the reigns from local administrators and 'friends' and also afford to invest more in infrastructure since they are serving a larger pool (more efficiently). My whole family (I am the only Black sheep) went to HBCUs and I love them and want to support them but they need to modernize and fast.

 

[DrBanneker]

Morehouse can't become a STEM hub like the elite STEM schools because they received billions of dollars to push the Cold War agenda for the US decades ago, and subsequently were fed by an increasingly elite group for decades, donating massive amounts, continuing to send the top children nation-wide, etc.
Morehouse would need to get the top-tier Black students worldwide, as well as make it more reasonable to go there.

Also, Obama cut HBCU funding? FACT SHEET: Obama Administration Investments in Historically Black Colleges and Universities | U.S. Department of Education

I am not one of those that argues segregation times were 'better', but when Black students globally had few options, HBCUs--especially Howard, Morehouse, Spelman, NC A&T--got the cream of the crop from not just AAs but the Caribbean, Europe, and Africa. My parents and uncles/aunts all went to HBCUs and knew people like Debbie Allen, Tom Joyner, Maurice Bishop (assassinated PM of Grenada), future African leaders, etc. just to name a few. But you had the heavy hitters in our community attending HBCUs and supporting them as alumni.

Once the PWI opened up, and I admit I attended one, this made it harder for the HBCUs to pull the top tier Black students. Not that people there now are slouches, but the average Black kid that has the choice between Harvard, Stanford, or Howard is going to usually choose one of the first two. Some HBCUs have tried reinvention and had some success. Howard has an excellent supply chain program--rare for many undergrad business schools--FAMU has done well with business as well and Xavier has excelled in feeding med schools. But many other have had issues and the cost differentials don't help. Making themselves as expensive as PWI makes it worse, not better.

 

[Dark Horse]

I feel you. My idea was actually to merge back office into another organization that could take control of incompetence by taking the reigns from local administrators and 'friends' and also afford to invest more in infrastructure since they are serving a larger pool (more efficiently). My whole family (I am the only Black sheep) went to HBCUs and I love them and want to support them but they need to modernize and fast.

After my experience, I'd strongly discourage my kids from attending one. Loved the tradition and black experience...but in actuality, it didn't prepare me for operating in a diverse world where we are the minority. Can only speak to Morehouse, but if one of the so called "Black Ivy League" schools is in such dire straights, why would I even entertain anywhere else?

What Morehouse needs, leadership wise, is not a smart alum president with nostalgia and philanthropic aspirations. Right now, they need someone with experience rebuilding and modernizing an organization, that isn't going to come in with lofty goals like a billion dollar endowment. The guy needs to prioritize implementing processes and organizational structures that can compete with PWIs. Just by doing that, he'd be the best president in recent memory.

Establishing something that makes alum proud would increase contributions far more than the guilt tripping they've been brainwashing into people since they were students at the institution.

 

[WheatThins]

the whole auc really needs to merge into one and also find a way to profit on all the land and compete with georgia state which is in a way better position in terms of location in the city (edgewood is better than west end) and pricing. if these schools actually invested time into rebuilding the west end physically and culturally over the past year it could have possibly been a competition but no one wants to pay out the ass for a school in lackluster community with a cheaper and better alternative down the street.

spelman will prob never merge with either more house or clark atlanta. can't blame em bc there's really no benefit

both spelman and morehouse will have to re-evaluate their course offerings bc all that liberal arts shyt will not make these schools competitive for the needs of the black community

i think that major meac and swac hbcus have what it takes to stand trump, but gonna be tough times for the ciaa schools with uncommitted donor bases

 

[Apollo Creed]

 

[EndDomination]

I am not one of those that argues segregation times were 'better', but when Black students globally had few options, HBCUs--especially Howard, Morehouse, Spelman, NC A&T--got the cream of the crop from not just AAs but the Caribbean, Europe, and Africa. My parents and uncles/aunts all went to HBCUs and knew people like Debbie Allen, Tom Joyner, Maurice Bishop (assassinated PM of Grenada), future African leaders, etc. just to name a few. But you had the heavy hitters in our community attending HBCUs and supporting them as alumni.

Once the PWI opened up, and I admit I attended one, this made it harder for the HBCUs to pull the top tier Black students. Not that people there now are slouches, but the average Black kid that has the choice between Harvard, Stanford, or Howard is going to usually choose one of the first two. Some HBCUs have tried reinvention and had some success. Howard has an excellent supply chain program--rare for many undergrad business schools--FAMU has done well with business as well and Xavier has excelled in feeding med schools. But many other have had issues and the cost differentials don't help. Making themselves as expensive as PWI makes it worse, not better.

I've definitely noted this, and with the massive amount of funding that comes in from star student-athletes, its a shame that none of the HBCUs can attract teams comparable to top publics.
I couldn't shame a student for choosing an Ivy or a Big-State school over an HBCU, just based on facilities.
You're on point.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I've definitely noted this, and with the massive amount of funding that comes in from star student-athletes, its a shame that none of the HBCUs can attract teams comparable to top publics.
I couldn't shame a student for choosing an Ivy or a Big-State school over an HBCU, just based on facilities.
You're on point.

White peoples ice is colder. There was a time when hbcus would destroy PWIs in sports but the moment PWIs opened their doors to black athletes, black folks lost their damn minds.

 

[EndDomination]

White peoples ice is colder. There was a time when hbcus would destroy PWIs in sports but the moment PWIs opened their doors to black athletes, black folks lost their damn minds.

White people's money is in abundance.
Black athletes always have, and will continue to blow White athlete programs out of the water, but those Big Sport feeder schools, come with full tuition + book money, a higher chance of being drafted, and a student body that worships you.
It was hard for the HBCUs to compete with that, and it will continue to grow in difficulty.

 

[Apollo Creed]

White people's money is in abundance.
Black athletes always have, and will continue to blow White athlete programs out of the water, but those Big Sport feeder schools, come with full tuition + book money, a higher chance of being drafted, and a student body that worships you.
It was hard for the HBCUs to compete with that, and it will continue to grow in difficulty.

There is nothing Blacks needed to compete with. Blacks got scholarships to play at HBCUS, HBCUs could have been feeders into black professional leagues. The same way the Negro leagues were disbanded because people saw the glitz and glam of the white leagues. At the end of the day black people should have stuck to their own and built up what they had. At the end of the day people want to see the superior athletes so naturally HBCUS and Black Athletic leagues would have gotten their money up. People want instant gratification and that instant gratification continues to keep us at the bottom.

 

[The Fire]

Wait. This ain't a co ed school? No females to look and higher tuition?

no wonder those ATL nikkas are all bawtymon.

 

[Apollo Creed]

no wonder those ATL nikkas are all bawtymon.

You can't be black if you think Morehouse is some all male prison.

 

[The ADD]

Forget Spelman is their sister school brehs

You can't be black if you think Morehouse is some all male prison.

 

[Larry Lambo]

White people's money is in abundance.
Black athletes always have, and will continue to blow White athlete programs out of the water, but those Big Sport feeder schools, come with full tuition + book money, a higher chance of being drafted, and a student body that worships you.
It was hard for the HBCUs to compete with that, and it will continue to grow in difficulty.

HBCU's will probably never be able to compete with the Alabama, Ohio State, USC, etc., but I think we could strive to have lower tier FBS level type schools. Hell, I'll take a black version of N. Dakota State right now.

Howard U's endowment is much larger than some of the better low-tier FBS, or elite FCS schools. So money isn't the only reason they aren't competing.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Morehouse wasn't EVER gonna compete with MIT...shyt, back in the day, if you wanted to major in engineering, you had to do it through their dual degree program (I know GA Tech was one of the participating schools). The facilities are antiquated, the administrators have been/continue to be subpar, and you have 2nd/3rd rate faculty. Imagine getting an engineering degree where you don't have access to the tools and technology your peers are using...you're playing catch up with nothing to fall back on but a school's rep.

School leadership has lacked vision for 20+ years. They've dismissed every deficiency as nuance/tradition of HBCUs. The only real redeeming quality Morehouse has is filter feeding elite law schools.

You can't expect to sustain an endowment based upon alumni contributions when less graduates are getting jobs. Furthermore, why give back when the administration will probably mismanage it anyways? If anyone is gonna mismanage my money, it's gonna be me.

This isn't true, Morehouse is a feeder school to elite grad schools in general. Harvard Law, Harvard Buisiness School, Kennedy school, etc. all have Morehouse well represented every class. Regarding Morehouse competing with MIT, you're right, that was never going to happen. Morehouse is a small liberal arts school. It will never compete with top engineering schools because those institutions depends so much on research. Morehouse does not have a grad school. But it def had its place. Comparing it to GA State is inherently unfair. A State school will always be cheaper...they're heavily subsidized! But Morehouse is not any more expensive than similarly sized private school. I will argue that Morehouse IS more heavily represented in top grad programs than most other similarly sized schools; especially for Black men. Ditto for Rhodes Scholars. The Dual Degree program (which is not just Morehouse, it's the entire AUC) is great as it gives you access to some of the top programs in the country (GA Tech, U mich, Columbia are all a part of the program).

Morehouse ousting Wilson was not the right move. They need to bring stability to the school, which is what Wilson was trying to do. Changing presidents every few years is a HORRIBLE plan for the success of an institution...especially as they try to celebrate their 150th anniversary. Wilson had to make many cuts which rubbed people the wrong way, and failed to get key support needed to allow him to follow through on his vision. You are 100% right regarding aging infrastructure, and that's one thing, specifically Wilson was trying to help, but they cut the cord before he could follow through. People cite dwindling enrollment as a bad thing, but to me, it's a good thing. Morehouse needs to downsize and become more selective on who they admit.

 

[Apollo Creed]

HBCU's will probably never be able to compete with the Alabama, Ohio State, USC, etc., but I think we could strive to have lower tier FBS level type schools. Hell, I'll take a black version of N. Dakota State right now.

Howard U's endowment is much larger than some of the better low-tier FBS, or elite FCS schools. So money isn't the only reason they aren't competing.

HBCUs were competing with SEC teams back in the day. Point blank if you take the ESPN top 100 players for b ball or football nobody on those lists are going to HBCUs. The only time you see elite players go to HBCUs now is when someone transfers from a big time program to an HBCU.