Q-Tip on meeting J Dilla for the first time.

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Always found it interesting that while there was a big “Dilla saved my life” movement after his death, when he was alive a lot of people hated. People said he (and Consequence) ruined Tribe. They didn’t appreciate Pharcyde’s second album. They complained about Common’s Like Water For Chocolate. They said Q-Tip sold out with Amplified.
 

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Always found it interesting that while there was a big “Dilla saved my life” movement after his death, when he was alive a lot of people hated. People said he (and Consequence) ruined Tribe. They didn’t appreciate Pharcyde’s second album. They complained about Common’s Like Water For Chocolate. They said Q-Tip sold out with Amplified.
Very very true.

He definitely was way less appreciated while he was alive.
 

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Always found it interesting that while there was a big “Dilla saved my life” movement after his death, when he was alive a lot of people hated. People said he (and Consequence) ruined Tribe. They didn’t appreciate Pharcyde’s second album. They complained about Common’s Like Water For Chocolate. They said Q-Tip sold out with Amplified.

Yep. Folks also thought his beats was mad soft and too clean overall.
 

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Always found it interesting that while there was a big “Dilla saved my life” movement after his death, when he was alive a lot of people hated. People said he (and Consequence) ruined Tribe. They didn’t appreciate Pharcyde’s second album. They complained about Common’s Like Water For Chocolate. They said Q-Tip sold out with Amplified.

I think the common thread here is that his involvement with these different groups came with a major sonic shift. Even Outkast's 2nd and 3rd albums produced eyebrows from the public at first. Thankfully with retrospect, those albums, and a lot of Dilla's work, aged beautifully. People just don't wanna accept new shyt. From the Beatles, to Miles Davis... They ask for the old shyt again and again. Like Jay-Z said... "buy my old album..."
 

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Yep. Folks also thought his beats was mad soft and too clean overall.
That's ironic to me too, because Ruff Draft is some of the rawest beats you'll hear, and Slum Village had a lot of raw beats too. Dila worked with Guilty Simpson and Phat Kat and gave both of them a lot of gritty shyt. Same goes for JayLib.

I get what you're saying though. Popular perception was how you say it was. But if people listened deeper, they'd know Dilla was good at rugged beats.
 

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As a musician, and pure rap fan you really must call Dilla the GOAT. Especially as a jazz head, the way he cut & sampled great records and enhanced them, as a moment in music none have matched.
No doubt. I know the "you're favorite producer's favorite producer/your favorite rapper's favorite rapper" thing is kind of a meme, but at the same time it's important to pay attention to that.

Any artist or producer that receives almost unanimous love and respect from their peers in the industry is worth paying attention to. Sometimes people are falling in line and just saying what they think they should say, but in Dilla's case you can hear the authenticity from most of his peers. I've seen so many beatmakers on video and in person lose their minds when stumbling across something he flipped, and they're almost always completely blown away at how he made it.

And the cycle continues...I got put onto Nottz because he was Dilla's favorite up and coming producer.
 

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Always found it interesting that while there was a big “Dilla saved my life” movement after his death, when he was alive a lot of people hated. People said he (and Consequence) ruined Tribe. They didn’t appreciate Pharcyde’s second album. They complained about Common’s Like Water For Chocolate. They said Q-Tip sold out with Amplified.

ALLLLLLL THIS.

People either loved his shyt, or thought his production style was dry, but it definitely wasn't no unanimous lovefest shyt goin' on, especially in the 90s-early-2000s.

I thought he was dope AF, but he did have his share of stuff that wasn't for me.
 

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ALLLLLLL THIS.

People either loved his shyt, or thought his production style was dry, but it definitely wasn't no unanimous lovefest shyt goin' on, especially in the 90s-early-2000s.

I thought he was dope AF, but he did have his share of stuff that wasn't for me.

I will admit he lost me a bit with Electric Circus :russ:
 

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No doubt. I know the "you're favorite producer's favorite producer/your favorite rapper's favorite rapper" thing is kind of a meme, but at the same time it's important to pay attention to that.

Any artist or producer that receives almost unanimous love and respect from their peers in the industry is worth paying attention to. Sometimes people are falling in line and just saying what they think they should say, but in Dilla's case you can hear the authenticity from most of his peers. I've seen so many beatmakers on video and in person lose their minds when stumbling across something he flipped, and they're almost always completely blown away at how he made it.

And the cycle continues...I got put onto Nottz because he was Dilla's favorite up and coming producer.
Yup, I think with Dilla it goes deeper than most. NO ONE was using samples the way he was at the time and if they were, they werent adding his drum patterns or type of MC's which weren't commercial yet (you can 'hear' a Dilla beat clearer with a T3/ Baatin verse but 'appreciate' it more with a Elzhi/Common/Kanye verse).
That's how his music separates itself from the 'other' greatest producer everyone feels inclined to quote; it aged better and is still relevant rather than nostalgically classic.
 

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Always found it interesting that while there was a big “Dilla saved my life” movement after his death, when he was alive a lot of people hated. People said he (and Consequence) ruined Tribe. They didn’t appreciate Pharcyde’s second album. They complained about Common’s Like Water For Chocolate. They said Q-Tip sold out with Amplified.

very fair points

1. People in the know, almost unanimously thought he was a genius from the gate; Specially producers. That said, his style wasn’t for everyone, if that makes sense.
2. He truly was ahead of time.
3. Same ppl that hated him loved songs like Woo Ha, Stakes is High.
 
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As a musician, and pure rap fan you really must call Dilla the GOAT. Especially as a jazz head, the way he cut & sampled great records and enhanced them, as a moment in music none have matched.


Dilla: The first and only hiphop producer/beat make to change the course of Jazz:wow:
 
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