R. Kelly Is Going On Trial For His “Sex Cult” This Week. Update (9/27) Guilty on all charges

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I doubt he will get convicted.

When stories boil down to he said, she said, you're not going to present a strong case by saying "I lied about my age, but then I got uncomfortable and showed him my ID".

We have one mutual fact, she presented herself as a 19 year old. He will no doubt dispute her providing confirmation on her age. Due to the presumption of innocence, she will have to prove that he knew of her age beyond reasonable doubt.

Other shyt is unsavory but it doesn't demonstrate coercion. He had rules but what was the threat for noncompliance.

Think part of why they dragged the case out for so long is so that they could essentially imprison for 2.5 years. Similar to Bill Cosby.

I see what they did to that this guy: Keith Raniere - Wikipedia

Yeah, he's going to jail.

If he KNEW they were underaged and TOLD THE GIRLS TO LIE, thats a crime. Period. It doesn't matter if SHE lied. HE KNEW.

And this happened SEVERAL times.

HE

KNEW.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is the Feds, he will be convicted.

This is also the NYC case. This isn't even the Chicago case

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So its a bunch of groupies looking for a come up. Defense gonna destroy them on cross examination. Guaranteed they got text messages and witnesses to say how these groupies were bragging about hanging with kellz and how much fun they were having.

Multiple witnesses say upon learning the girls were underraged, he continued to mess with them.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Shoulda just been charged for the child porn and sex with minors shyt. All the grown women weren't forced to do shyt, trafficked or kidnapped. Those charges shouldn't stick. It's not illegal to be freaky.

They weren't grown.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I mean I do understand the overcharging. My theory is that whatever it is that they can get him on they will give him the max and they tossed enough charges on the charge sheet to do that.

im just curious if they will be able to cross examine the Victims. I was under the assumption it was a slam dunk case since they even said they had child pornography videos of him. So that should be dead to rights. What I’m not understanding is if this is a RICO who are all of the others involved because some of the victims were actually involved in the carrying out of human trafficking and the rest.

also is the defense going to bring in the members who weren’t victims. I couldn’t be on the jury because I personally would have already discredited the Jarhonda chick from the documentary who was the first one up.

What don't you understand?

He recorded everything.

On top of that, theres more than two cases of him acknowledging women were underraged and continuing to engage with them.

 

[Umoja]

I see what they did to that this guy: Keith Raniere - Wikipedia

Yeah, he's going to jail.

If he KNEW they were underaged and TOLD THE GIRLS TO LIE, thats a crime. Period. It doesn't matter if SHE lied. HE KNEW.

And this happened SEVERAL times.

HE

KNEW.

You didn't read what I said. If he knew they were underage and admits to it, his goose is cooked.

I doubt he will admit to it, so the fact will be her lying about her age. His knowledge of her actual age will boil down to he said, she said.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

the ages of consent are 17 in Illinois and New York

You didn't read what I said. If he knew they were underage and admits to it, his goose is cooked.

I doubt he will admit to it, so the fact will be her lying about her age. His knowledge of her actual age will boil down to he said, she said.

Make this make sense:

‘He took my virginity’: First witness in R. Kelly trial confronts singer and testifies she had sex with him at 16 after they met at Cook County courthouse

Kelly and Pace had sexual contact beginning in 2009 when Pace was just 16, she said under oath from the Brooklyn federal courthouse.

She had told him she was 19, but after their first sexual contact she felt uncomfortable and showed him her state ID card proving her true age.

“He asked me, what is that supposed to mean?” Pace, now 28, recalled from the stand. “He told me to continue telling people I was 19, and act like I was 21.”​

 

[NatiboyB]

What don't you understand?

He recorded everything.

On top of that, theres more than two cases of him acknowledging women were underraged and continuing to engage with them.

If he acknowledged they were underage that should be an open and shut case.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Dude getting convicted on something.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

I doubt he will get convicted.

When stories boil down to he said, she said, you're not going to present a strong case by saying "I lied about my age, but then I got uncomfortable and showed him my ID".

We have one mutual fact, she presented herself as a 19 year old. He will no doubt dispute her providing confirmation on her age. Due to the presumption of innocence, she will have to prove that he knew of her age beyond reasonable doubt.

Other shyt is unsavory but it doesn't demonstrate coercion. He had rules but what was the threat for noncompliance.

Think part of why they dragged the case out for so long is so that they could essentially imprison for 2.5 years. Similar to Bill Cosby.

Yep. Cosby 2.0. Even if convicted dont be surprised if he get an appeal granted. This is a gross over reach of a RICO and even the media lawyers and reporters say its never been applied like this before. If kellz is guilty of running a criminal underground sex trafficking enterprise then a whole lot more than just him should be in jail right now.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

Make this make sense:

‘He took my virginity’: First witness in R. Kelly trial confronts singer and testifies she had sex with him at 16 after they met at Cook County courthouse

Kelly and Pace had sexual contact beginning in 2009 when Pace was just 16, she said under oath from the Brooklyn federal courthouse.

She had told him she was 19, but after their first sexual contact she felt uncomfortable and showed him her state ID card proving her true age.

“He asked me, what is that supposed to mean?” Pace, now 28, recalled from the stand. “He told me to continue telling people I was 19, and act like I was 21.”​

Once she admitted to being a liar she no longer has any credibility.

 

[Blackrogue]

I'm about the harem of hoes thing
But I'm about the underage girls thing

I'm kinda wondering what his state of mind is right now. All his peoples, I've never heard a single person cape for him or support him.

What I do know for sure is kellz probably got some bangaz in his head right now ready to fight off the accusations like he singing for his life

 

[Buzzed Lightyear]

Make this make sense:

‘He took my virginity’: First witness in R. Kelly trial confronts singer and testifies she had sex with him at 16 after they met at Cook County courthouse

Kelly and Pace had sexual contact beginning in 2009 when Pace was just 16, she said under oath from the Brooklyn federal courthouse.

She had told him she was 19, but after their first sexual contact she felt uncomfortable and showed him her state ID card proving her true age.

“He asked me, what is that supposed to mean?” Pace, now 28, recalled from the stand. “He told me to continue telling people I was 19, and act like I was 21.”​

So tell people you're 19 but act 21. How do you act 21? Volunteer to go to the L when it's time to reup on the Hennessey?

 

[MrRDU]

So tell people you're 19 but act 21. How do you act 21? Volunteer to go to the L when it's time to reup on the Hennessey?

yeah, why just not act 19

 

[NobodyReally]