Rand Paul Dismisses Concerns About Income Inequality, Says Some People Just ‘Work Harder’

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So who worked harder the billionaire real estate businessman or the world renowned neurosurgeon?

One is worth $10 billion and the other is worth .001 of $10 billion.

Did the real estate billionaire work 1000 times harder than the surgeon?
:why: What type of reasoning is this?

You make money off of Magnitude and/or Scale.
Meaning you either server a lot of people...or what you build and sell is so large that it creates a huge lump sum.

If someone has $10 billion in real estate holdings they are serving a lot of fukking people.
Are you just hating on rich people or what?
 

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Damn if only black wealth hadn't been lost en masse in 2008 due to unregulated banking practices enabled by the biggest ayn Rand dikkrider this side of Paul Ryan :sas2:
How much money do you think you need to start a business?
Its not nearly as much as you probably think.

Why do you cats always have an excuse for everything?
 

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its funny...you read this, and all you learn is that black folks are the victim and nothing we can do can stop the big bad white man.

I read that and see some mistakes.
I hope from this that people learned that home ownership isnt that big of a deal...having your net worth tied into it is dumb.
If you are going to buy property, buy it for the purpose of income coming in....not to hold, and hope one day you can sell it for more.

2. Bad mortgages...nobody forced anyone to take those loans. Thats a bad decision.
Are you not a man that can stand on his own?
I know brothas that are making a killing in real estate...how come the system isnt holding them back?

This liberal mindset has made the American black population a sitting duck...w/ no financial literacy. The rules of the game are out there for everyone to learn...if you get got, you werent paying attention.
You expect everyone to hold your hand and make life decisions for you?

Where is the independent mindset?
How is it 2015 and black folks still crying about fairness....you didnt learn there is no such thing as fair growing up?

"You knew the game, and you still ended up on your back"
 

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the real estate billionaire got lucky
Surgeons know what they are doing as a career path

how many real estate billionaires vs. surgeons?
More surgeons right? Because it's a career path chosen early in life probably

you are commenting about onesies and twosies

My point is there a host of variables that drive inequality. It's not as simple as one guy works harder than the next guy.

Some people have a great advantage/disadvantage when starting off. Trump inherited $400 million from his dad and Carson was raised in inner city Detroit. Carson or people in his position, were most likely recipients of scholarships,loans and grants to atleast give them a better shot at success.

That's why many argue for government investments in education,healthcare, public infrastructure and a robust social safety net.
 

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The “right-wing ideology” of “de-regulation”, or the free market is not to blame for setting the stage for the financial crisis of 08. It was government -- they pressured the financial institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers because they didn't like the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn’t. This whole notion of the free market is to blame came from Liberals in 08, because they wanted votes. Rhetoric speaks louder than facts when your dealing with leftist.
QFT :wow:
 

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Do you dispute that libertarianism advocates a system of government in thrall to capital interests?

Also, you don't bid on contracts in an actual socialistic system breh
Yes.
Libertarianism advocates a system of govt. in thrall with no interest other than the protection of individual liberty and national defense.
There is zero incentive to lobby govt in a free market.
 

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Do you dispute that libertarianism advocates a system of government in thrall to capital interests?
No that's socialism that does that not capitalism.

What you are referring to is commonly labelled as crony capitalism, but it is not a result of capitalism but socialism.
Obama created so many czars and regulatory bodies, but when you look at who heads those entities and who the czars are... it's all former execs from Mega Corporations.
From Goldman sacchs to chase banks to Monsanto to Exxon to DuPont to all of them.
All the most evil companies, former execs now regulate the very industry that their megacorps sell in.

Do the homework.
Socialism is evil in North America Breh.

But socialism does seem to work in old worlds, countries where whoever represents the majority were the original inhabitants.
just an interesting sidenote, something to think about.

Also, you don't bid on contracts in an actual socialistic system breh
Yes you do breh, 100%
City asks for quotations from construction companies, to building architects for city planning.
Schools must get 3 quotes minimum from IT Resellers for computer/networkin equipment
it's like that in all services
 
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So who worked harder the billionaire real estate businessman or the world renowned neurosurgeon?

One is worth $10 billion and the other is worth .001 of $10 billion.

Did the real estate billionaire work 1000 times harder than the surgeon?
Forget neurosurgeon, how about a scientist earning $80,000 a year who pioneers incredible research leading to revolutionary development in society, compared to the billionaire real estate businessman
 

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No that's socialism that does that not capitalism.

What you are referring to is commonly labelled as crony capitalism, but it is not a result of capitalism but socialism.
Obama created so many czars and regulatory bodies, but when you look at who heads those entities and who the czars are... it's all former execs from Mega Corporations.
From Goldman sacchs to chase banks to Monsanto to Exxon to DuPont to all of them.
All the most evil companies, former execs now regulate the very industry that their megacorps sell in.

Do the homework.
Socialism is evil in North America Breh.
I'm not completely against socialism but I am in America and Canada and UK and Australia because of the mass infestation of special interests groups in these countries.
Now notice anything about those countries? It's all new world countries,,,, countries that were originally inhabited by colored people until the whiteman came and conquered.

But socialism does seem to work in old worlds, countries where whoever represents the majority were the original inhabitants.
just an interesting sidenote, something to think about.


Yes you do breh, 100%
City asks for quotations from construction companies, to building architects for city planning.
Schools must get 3 quotes minimum from IT Resellers for computer/networkin equipment
it's like that in all services

Socialism eliminates private capital, so I doubt it's controlled by it. Your city isn't socialist. Crony capitalism is capitalism. Capital would seek to dominate government in any form it took, no matter how small or large. Making government weaker won't make capital any less inclined to control it.

I'm aware of the success of socialist-esque states in homogenous countries and its failures in multiethnic states. It's a troubling trend. Hopefully mankind's emphasis on melanin levels won't continue to hold it back in pursuit of economic justice and social equality.

In a Marxist-Leninist state(not my personal philosophy, but what most people think of when they think of socialist economies), the state would itself build the roads. They wouldn't farm out the process to a private building firm because there would be no private economic activity.

Yes.
Libertarianism advocates a system of govt. in thrall with no interest other than the protection of individual liberty and national defense.
There is zero incentive to lobby govt in a free market.

Where's the individual liberty in allowing a company to lie to its customers or break strikes with private security forces? There's always incentive to lobby the government, you don't think anti-unionization laws would flood the books in a libertarian state? What about competing interests that both seem to fit with defense of personal liberty, say a bar owner wants to ban smoking in his establishment. Wouldn't that be an impediment to the smoker's individual liberty, yet wouldn't also saying the smoker can smoke be antithetical to the 11th commandment of property rights? You can't see a bar owners association and tobacco companies lobbying legislators to pass laws in their favor?

Racial wealth inequality in the United States has always been severe, with "black wealth" being more of a joke than a reality.
and IMO it will continue to be a joke til we grasp and apply some group economics.

... nothing was or is "unregulated", and Im guessing by that you're referring to the removal of specific regulation(s).
Either way a number of factors contributed to the crisis. Lets not try to pin it on one.

Halving it is a pretty severe blow non the less. Group action? Don't turn commie on me now breh

True, let's not pretend allowing Wall Street to run rough shod(in part due to repealing old legislation, more to do with the regulations not keeping up with a globalized economy and rapid technological advances)wasn't an eminent factor in instagating the collapse.
 

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POor c00ns that defended this clown. Really thought he was the great white hope. :mjlol:

During the great depression, people just worked hard and they were able to buy homes without loans from the government. Same with california after riots shut down detroit. :mjlol: Rand Paul preying on the historical stupidity of Americans, and his black supporters just :manny:

Whites have sold out every non-white person theyve made promises to. You gonna learn that like they did though.
 

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Swavy Karl Marx said:
Damn if only black wealth hadn't been lost en masse in 2008 due to unregulated banking practices enabled by the biggest ayn Rand dikkrider this side of Paul Ryan :sas2:

'Black wealth' accounts for about 1-2% of America's wealth.

It wasn't lost. We never had it.​
 

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its funny...you read this, and all you learn is that black folks are the victim and nothing we can do can stop the big bad white man.

I read that and see some mistakes.
I hope from this that people learned that home ownership isnt that big of a deal...having your net worth tied into it is dumb.
If you are going to buy property, buy it for the purpose of income coming in....not to hold, and hope one day you can sell it for more.

2. Bad mortgages...nobody forced anyone to take those loans. Thats a bad decision.
Are you not a man that can stand on his own?
I know brothas that are making a killing in real estate...how come the system isnt holding them back?

This liberal mindset has made the American black population a sitting duck...w/ no financial literacy. The rules of the game are out there for everyone to learn...if you get got, you werent paying attention.
You expect everyone to hold your hand and make life decisions for you?

Where is the independent mindset?
How is it 2015 and black folks still crying about fairness....you didnt learn there is no such thing as fair growing up?

"You knew the game, and you still ended up on your back"

I see a slanted system built to accommodate the accumulation of money rather than benefiting people(market systems can benefit people, that's not their function though), really a radical idea I know. How weak to favor people over concepts.

Considering the sizable wealth gained through buying real estate we've seen as a society from the 1950s to the modern day and rapid population growth worldwide, I'd say dismissing owning homes as an asset seems shortsighted. You shouldn't buy a home as a status symbol or strictly as an investment if you plan to live there, but denying the value of owning land as a long term economic asset isn't the lesson I'd gather out of that,

You knowing people making money off of real estate doesn't discount the predatory nature of wall street and banking in general(capitalism itself even more generally). Some people are exceptional, but statistics show us that America is a rigidly class and racially stratified society. Black people and poor people in general have generational earnings and opportunity gaps.

The rhetoric of rugged individualism is a lie, it's always been a lie. Unless you genuinely believe that poverty is somehow a genetic defect, how can you justify the consistent poverty of black people from the 1865 till the present? Was it the liberal mindset of the 1920s free form capitalism that was establishing a culture of dependency? The safety net has been consistently getting cut and restricted since 1980, why aren't we seeing the decline of the welfare state reflected in upticks in personal income? The independent mindset is a myth perpetuated by wealth that offers a chance at lottery in exchange for servitude.

Where was the independent mindset when Wall Street got bailouts? Why would these stalwarts of the capitalistic moral accept dependency? Don't they know government financing is what causes poverty?

In nature life isn't fair. I hardly see why we, in 2015 in the wealthiest country in the history of the planet, are still moralizing based on ideological platitudes about our hunter gatherer ancestors, anymore than we refuse air conditioned homes because summer in Georgia is hot. Life won't ever be perfect and equal to all beings, that certainly doesn't mean we should glorify and scorn fairness and justice.
 

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True, let's not pretend allowing Wall Street to run rough shod(in part due to repealing old legislation, more to do with the regulations not keeping up with a globalized economy and rapid technological advances)wasn't an eminent factor in instagating the collapse.
:whoa:Not gonna debate the crisis, people get legit angry over that shyt lol


Where's the individual liberty in allowing a company to lie to its customers or 1)break strikes with private security forces? There's always incentive to lobby the government, you don't think 2)anti-unionization laws would flood the books in a libertarian state? 3)What about competing interests that both seem to fit with defense of personal liberty, say a bar owner wants to ban smoking in his establishment. Wouldn't that be an impediment to the smoker's individual liberty, yet wouldn't also saying the smoker can smoke be antithetical to the 11th commandment of property rights? 4)You can't see a bar owners association and tobacco companies lobbying legislators to pass laws in their favor?

1. Break how? Initiating force against peaceful persons would remain against the law.
2. No such laws exist in a free market, and the moment the do the market is no longer free
3. His property his rules.
4. Again, in a free market no such legislation exist and them moment it does the market is no longer free.


Its govt.s ability to control the market that creates the incentive to lobby.
 
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