Ray Rice Doesn't Deserve This Treatment----AT ALL(Official all things Ray Rice thread)

[Captain Crunch]

Surprised he didn't say "what up everybody"

 

[Barnett114]

Loots at the name Tommy Sotomayor.

*leaves thread*

 

[TMNT4000]

Is ya'll watching first take right now?

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

if someone posted the video on youtube titled "Burger King employee beats girlfriend in elevator," i promise he'd be let go as well

What fukking difference does video make?

If I kill somebody without video are they still dead?

Is killing somebody with video worse somehow?

No, people who wait for the video to get "outraged" are just as bad. Either something is bad or it isn't.

I've been around dudes who beat their wives ass my whole life. ashamed to say I'm related to some of them, and ALL of them had jobs and continued to work with him, once they made bail. I even had an aunt once who's husband beat her up and the cop came, talked to her husband and actually commiserated with her husband about how all the laws were "against men now". If domestic violence lost you your job in Amerikkka, Charlie Sheen should've lost his in 1987. GTFOH

and yet they can't even get Ray Ray charged

I'm pretty sure him and Janay were charged and went through whatever counseling first time offenders USUALLY get.

Ray Rice got the normal sentence. If the laws are fukked up, changed em for aggravated assault.

Black Males are poster boys for everything negative. 20 years from now they'll blame global warming on us

Damn right, and all the Black feminists, Black conservatives, and uncle toms gonna be right out there ignoring ALL the horrible shyt White people do to shyt on us because "we should know the game is rigged, therefore deserve to die in the streets like Trayvon and Mike."

Who does Rice being behind bars benefit?

The 2 year old daughter who won't see her father?
The distressed wife that chose to marry him
Or the family that still supports Rice?

All I see is battered wife syndrome, Stockholm syndrome etc etc blah blah blah. I refuse to believe all women are that weak willed and incapable of making choices on their own. She isn't a child.

At the end of the day most people baying for blood couldn't care less about Janay. The media definitely showed they don't give a damn with them replaying the same clip of the assault 100+ times a day on multiple TV stations, the NFL obviously don't care since they only initially handed out only a 2 game ban and the public definitely don't care because they'll move on to the next big story in about 2 weeks.

You're probably the realest cat in this thread hands down. No hysteria, no bullshyt.

Obviously, you're right, but the feminists have to make sure we're adequately upset about domestic violence even if Ray Rice is a piss poor spokesperson for it. I mean, listening to them you'd think, Ray Rice set her on fire, raped her, and threw her off a building. Charlie Sheen does ALL of those things every few years, yet has NEVER been the spokesman for domestic violence, yet all these chicks are more than happy to make a guy who just was wrong in the HEAT OF THE MOMENT the "Ike Turner of his generation".

This is about making a statement my man. This is about the feminists, the racist Whites, and corporate Blacks all finding a common enemy to force all of us to care about this issue of "domestic violence".

And nothin happened to Ocho Cinco..ijs Amazing how video footage changes shyt

REally?

Ocho Cinco lost his career and went to jail for head butting a chick that we ALL now has violent tendencies and regularly attacks people. Thanks for proving our point

Honestly, the only 'woman beaters" I have no respect for are repeat offenders like Mayweather, Charlie Sheen, Sean Penn, John Lennon and Sean Connery. Unlike everyone else participating in the character assassination and witch hunt of Rice I'm not naive enough to believe decent men can't lose their cool and almost instantaneously regret their actions.

@Emperor_ReinScarf has posted the stats.

This should've been the end of this thread, right here.

To be perfectly honest, I didn't know who the hell this Rice dude was before today. I don't watch football and I unplugged myself from American mainstream media a long time ago. With that said, yes he deserves to be punished for this situation he's put himself in; however, you'd have to be blind or badly uninformed if you can't see the obvious double standard that's played out in the media today pertaining to this. Whenever black men are involved in any mishap whatsoever, right or wrong, the criticisms they face from media and society is always ten times as worse as his white counterparts.

We already saw this some time ago when Chris Brown and Charlie Sheen both had domestic violence incidents occur at the same time. Chris Brown commited a one-time domestic violence offense, while Sheen commited several over the course of two decades- which includes shooting a former girlfriend(Kelly Preston) during a domestic dispute; and the latest offense of him holding a knife to his then wife's throat and threatening to kill her in front of his children - which occured around the time of Brown's incident. The media commentators largely laughed off Sheen's antics as "well, that's just Charlie being Charlie," while Chris Brown- a one-time offender- is dubbed Ike Turner 2.0 and still criticized for that incident to this day.

Am I saying CB doesn't deserve to be criticized? No.

Am I saying he deserves far less criticism than Charlie Sheen? Yes.

Does CB get more criticism than Sheen anyway? Oh yes!

So yes there is a major double standard in how black men involved in certain incidents are covered, and black men in the public eye need to be more cognizant of that. Ray Rice's football career is ruined and his image forever tarnished. He will be mocked over the next several weeks(or months or years) by late night comics, celebrities, other athletes, media personnel, feminists, male supporters of feminists, black men, white men, religious/moral do-gooders, and politicians - regardless of there being cases of white athletes commiting far worse offenses and receiving far lighter punishment- hell they all even got to keep their careers.

And speaking of politicians, will someone tell me what the hell are Obama and other politicians doing wasting their time publicly commenting on this? Shouldn't they be in a room somewhere figuring out this Isis situation, rather than worrying about what some football player is doing? He's no threat to national security.

This backwards ass country, man...

Anyway, that's my two cents, OP. I don't condone what Rice did, but I understand where you're coming from.

No, this should've closed the thread

Do we extend this to white people using the N-word?

Can't speak for ALL Black people or whatever, but I personally looked a the Bieber incident as a KID doing dumb shyt to impress his friends. I know a lot of folks disagreed with me at the time, but he didn't even use the word in anger, he was just being a punk kid. I unlike some people will give a KID, White, Black, or whatever a break, because it's OUR job as adults to educate them and show them that they are wrong for that.

nikkas out here defending a wife beater, just because he is a black man and maybe he is on their fantasy team.

nikkas on here never cease to amaze me. I wonder if they'd feel the same if it were their mother/sister/wife that got spit on and beat down

First of all, nobody was beat down. Rihanna was beat down. Janay got caught with one while she was charging her husband.

Second of all, when women in my family have gotten caught, my stance was the same. If she's perpetrating violence against a man, then she's gonna get treated like a man. Hell, that's my mama's attitude about this whole Ray Rice scenario. She said what Whoopi did. Black women back then weren't violent and didn't try to beat up Black men and expect nothing to happen. All that shyt you see on "Love & Hip-Hop" with women fighting and spitting and cursing is not what REAL women do and it wasn't tolerated by other women back then, but now, post feminism, you got the idea that women can do WHATEVER they want and it's up to the man to 100% control himself, even though the woman is a GROWN ASS WOMAN who should be controlling her emotions as well. I've had younger women in my family who've fought their men, straight up. My stance was the same. Let grown folks work out their own problems, unless somebody's life is being threatened. If a woman's gonna hit a man or go after him and he hits her once, I'm not about to act like the dude is a monster. He maybe wrong, but she's wrong as well for trying to fight a man.

I'd be wrong if I tried to fight Kimbo Slice wouldn't I?

And him being WAYYY bigger than me wouldn't change that fact.

John Lennon?

John Lennon was a lifelong woman beater. Look it up. The White media won't bring that shyt up.

Where's the outrage about this

Died down a bit huh

Feminists show yourselves

Media keep covering this

Man, don't you get it?

This is a SHOW. This is an opportunity for feminists to make an example. That is it. All of this outrage is FAKE. If you listened to people, you'd think Ray powerbomed his girl off the top rope through a table. They were drunk and fighting and he hit her. Wrong, but not worth this bullshyt. This is about feminists who use gender as a weapon positioning themselves in the MEDIA, so they can continue to take our culture in a more feminized direction.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Fukk Obama too for commenting on this

I told y'all from day one Obama works for THEM. He always has. When he threw Rev. Wright under the bus for calling White people out on their racism, what do you think that was? Y'all was just happy to have a half a nikka in the White house. He was raised by his WHITE mama and her WHITE family. Dude has NO Black in his soul, whatsoever. He's a used car salesman who used Blacks to get elected. Now him and Hillary care more about White women, Mexicans and gays than they EVER have you, which is why they have his attention at EVERY turn and we have to damn near riot to say some shyt about Travon or Mike Brown

I see your point. But let me ask you this bruh. How do you feel about videos blatantly showing white people say some off the wall racist shyt(ie. Kramer from Seinfeld going on that racist rant a few years back). Do you give them the benefit of the doubt? Do you agree with their friends who cape for them and claim they're not racist? Do you truly believe their words came from mere frustration and aren't a reflection of what they truly believe? Or do you just make the assumption, based on what you see and hear, that they're truly a racist piece of shyt?

I never cared about Kramer. I was too busy worried about REAL racism to give a shyt about a POS comedian onstage doing dumb shyt. So a comedian said some dumb shyt? And? I never contributed to Kramer's pocketbook in anyway so I just continued to not contribute to his pocketbook

What a man does in his personal life shouldnt affect his professional life unless hes a politician. Dudes an athelete, let him be, but hes not white so they crucify him.

EXACTLY, which is why it kills me when I see nikkaz get treated worst than other motherfukkers who've done WAYYYY worst shyt in the name of "making an example" out of somebody. That's bullshyt.

Ray Rice Wife: To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret everyday is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his a.. off for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE!

I just fukking said that.

They don't hear you man. The feminists and the simultaneously talk about how they care about women, YET don't let a GROWN ASS WOMAN speak for herself. SHE said she was partially to blame. SHE said that she started the fight and yet they just talk that "Stockholm Syndrome" bullshyt. They only care about womens opinions when they reinforce their bullshyt ideologies

People that keep saying "he made 1 mistake" "It was a bad 20 second decision" Well that's all it takes

Think about if, if this was someone in your family. I don't know about you guys but knowing the people I have in my family, if that woman was a family member and Ray, (yes lets call him just normal RAY, not some superstar god, we look up to athletes way to much, they are normal damn people) did this to someone in your family. I can assure you the last thing "RAY" would have to worry about is his job firing him. He would get his ass beat every single day until HE left that woman, not the other way around.

It's not a black men don't support black women issue like being mentioned on the radio today. For me is with Sports and Fantasy sports, we ignore the human being aspect of everything. Remove Rice from his last name

Ray "Ramone" works at a local Walmart, he does this to his Fiance and its put out there for everyone to see first hand.
Is there a wedding in 2 weeks? NO
Is there ANY support for Ray? NO
Is Ray fired? YES
Is Ray still using team facilities to work out getting ready for his 2 game suspension? NO, want to know why? Because Ray Ramone is looking for lawyers because he got arrested and might face jail time.


Strip these dudes last names, stop pretending like they are super heroes and treat them like human beings, I say this because god for bid you ever black out and do something like this, trust me YOU would not be treated how Ray Rice is being treated, you would be stripped of your money and your freedom with the quickness.

Bullshyt.

I've been around wife beaters my whole life. ALL those nikkaz got jobs.

COPS beat their wives and keep jobs. I know this for a fact.

I've never EVER met anyone in my life who lost their job due to domestic violence. NOT ONE, EVEN COPS.

So stop it.

No baseball players, hockey players, or any other athletes have EVER lost their jobs JUST for domestic violence.

I don't know nikkaz who work in the mill who lost their jobs due to domestic violence and I know a TON of nikkaz in the mills who have beat their wives over the years and KEPT their jobs. Just stop it.

The plumber you just had a week ago probably beat his wife at some point and now he's back fixing your rusty ass toilet. If he can have a job, then Ray Rice can have a job.

U have to be retarded to think that was a one time incident. The way the man was so nonchalant and uncaring about it, come on now.

Was Donald Sterling lvl of character assassination too high as well, OP?

Do you have proof of this?

If not,

don't hit women

Not really sure how anyone is defending this?

Nobody's DEFENDING anything. People are looking at selective outrage and prosecution and saying the punishment doesn't fit the crime. What the fukk about that do you dumb nig-- (well, I'm guessing you're not Black with a name like Brown Pride) motherfukkers get? If Charlie Sheen, Ray Rice, and Sean Penn, Brett Myers, Scott Erickson, and Axl Rose ALL COMMIT THE SAME CRIME. Why does the only Black guy in this case, Ray Rice have to lose his job when NONE of those other dudes lost their jobs? THAT is the issue here.

I don't think anyone here believes that Ray Rice shouldn't be punished. We all agree that he should suffer for the nasty behavior he showed on screen.

The question is whether the punishment coming his way is warranted. I personally believe that domestic violence is indeed a problem among the black community but I don't believe that branding the perpretators as monsters (or "others") is the cure to lessen the tentacles of the domestic violence phenomenon (that often transcend generations from father to son and onwards).

Look at Chris Brown, the media hounding him for the Rihanna incident did not – in any way, shape or form – help in his rehabilitation. Meanwhile the media makes money for every click a cac goes off on a black man for being a savage, like they believe us all to be. Get it breh? The media doesn't give two fukk about the victims...it lives off of making money through the demonization of any black man that's – for lack of a more appropriate word – dumb enough to forget that:

1. He's black; meaning the hammer crashes harder when he errs.
2. The media can seriously decide his carrer path.

Shame won't make these men better, and worse, shame will allow the other perpetrators of domestic violence to believe that the problem isn't in their actions...the problem is getting caught red-handed by the big-bad-media.
The same thing happens when you punch your kid for eating the cookie without having eaten dinner; you don't educate the child, you scare him into not getting on your bad side ever again, a fear that with time becomes hate but never enlightenment. It's a human thing breh.

TL;DR: It'd be nice if more articles came out on how he got to this point and the statistics of DV in the black community with an sociological explanation for the numbers. That'd be more helpful than just making a shyt-show about a monster "paying" for his mistake...especially when the people who covered it up go right under the radar without suffering any repercurssions.

This is all by design my friend. You see how Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson have gotten Donald Sterling and Bruce Levenson off of the front pages for the time being.

Now, you see all these horrible degenerate pro athletes DESERVE to be looked at n*ggers by people like Sterling.

Think about it. NOBODY is talking about Donald Sterling or Bruce Levenson anymore.

AND there were rumors of MORE NBA owners being exposed with being racist JUST before this Ray Rice situation hit. Now, nobody's talking about Mike Brown, Donald Sterling, Bruce Levenson, or anything having to do with the obvious racism of CACs, just Adrian Peterson, and now Johnathan Dwyer.

This is all about ending the supremacy of the Black man in sports, because White people have ALWAYS hated that the best athletes were young and Black. Now, they're either going to force Black men to be completely compliant and docile with no chances of Allen Iversons or Muhammad Alis or even Charles Barkleys and Dennis Rodmans anymore, OR they're going to start using "character" as an excuse to start looking for talent "other places", like the NBA did with Europe, because they know the "fundamentals" and Latin America because Blacks again lack "fundamentals".

They shoulda never gave you nikkaz money, and the White man is coming to whoop that ass like after a coke binge.

 

[GotEmShook]

Gotdamn this nikka came in with a emmy award winning post...jeez nikka

 

[meth68]

Bullshyt.

I've been around wife beaters my whole life. ALL those nikkaz got jobs.

COPS beat their wives and keep jobs. I know this for a fact.

I've never EVER met anyone in my life who lost their job due to domestic violence. NOT ONE, EVEN COPS.

So stop it.

No baseball players, hockey players, or any other athletes have EVER lost their jobs JUST for domestic violence.

I don't know nikkaz who work in the mill who lost their jobs due to domestic violence and I know a TON of nikkaz in the mills who have beat their wives over the years and KEPT their jobs. Just stop it.

The plumber you just had a week ago probably beat his wife at some point and now he's back fixing your rusty ass toilet. If he can have a job, then Ray Rice can have a job.

Yo lets clear this up since you took a long ass time to reply on why he shouldn't lose his job. Do you agree with domestic violence?

I know several people who lost their job due to domestic violence, and they were regular guys, they weren't highly paid athletes who are supposed to be role models. You don't just get overpaid to run the football, there is a lot that goes with it. It's about the fan base, about selling jersey's about support. It's all a money making machine. The main difference is that us normal people aren't on TMZ every step of the way, not only do I know people who lost their job due to domestic violence, but i know people who are in JAIL due to it. Now that is a problem here, this isn't even a "nfl case" this should be a legal case, right now AP is home collecting checks, crazy punishment right? Just imagine your boss was like yo, sit home for a year, I will still pay you your salary but stay home. Wow... tough punishment, I am sure you will really regret what you did after that one? It's a joke, us regular people 9/10 would have been in jail after that video came out, better yet we would have been in jail when we walked out that elevator dragging her like a caveman. So your telling me your boss wouldn't fire you if you got locked up for beating your wife? The company I work for, every department head hands out an employee packet that you must sign when a new hire comes on board. And there are several no tolerance sections, and 1 is domestic violance. Basically if my job finds out you have a situation, you are fired. There is no grey area, there no suspension with pay, nothing. You are fired. So by you saying people keeping jobs, it depends on the company/boss. Though every corporate office I been in, your better off smoking crack int he lounge then getting in a domestic violence situation.

A plumber beats his wife, its not on the news, its not in the paper for everyone to see. You can still go unclog someones toilet, its up to your boss on making a decision if he should let you go. There is no fear (maybe locally, through word of mouth) of customers to stop using that plumbing company due to having a woman beater as their handyman.

A football player beats his wife, fans are outraged, they wont buy that players jersey anymore -$$, they are protesting -$$, they are complaining -$$, they are ripping into the team everyday -$$. Season ticket holders threatening to cancel their tickets -$$$, advertisers want to separate their selves from the situation -$$. It all snowballs, and the NFL more then any other sport its just not worth it. You have a short shelf life in the NFL, try to stay squeaky clean for 8-10 years and you can live 60 years like a king. Or you can do something like this and jeopardize everything at the age of 30.

Fact is your sticking up for him losing his job, if it was you or I, we would be worried about our freedom first, career 2nd...

 

[Brown_Pride]

Nobody's DEFENDING anything. People are looking at selective outrage and prosecution and saying the punishment doesn't fit the crime. What the fukk about that do you dumb nig-- (well, I'm guessing you're not Black with a name like Brown Pride) motherfukkers get? If Charlie Sheen, Ray Rice, and Sean Penn, Brett Myers, Scott Erickson, and Axl Rose ALL COMMIT THE SAME CRIME. Why does the only Black guy in this case, Ray Rice have to lose his job when NONE of those other dudes lost their jobs? THAT is the issue here.

There's really three points that need to be discuss.
1. Does Ray deserve to be punished? The answer is Yes, yes he does.
2. Is he a pieces of shyt for hitting a woman? Yes, yes he is.
3. Does the punishment fit the crime? Personally I don't think so, it's gone overboard IMHO.

Anyone defending points 1 & 2 are idiots IMHO,

You can argue 3.

That's all I was saying really.

 

[marcuz]

There's really three points that need to be discuss.
1. Does Ray deserve to be punished? The answer is Yes, yes he does.
2. Is he a pieces of shyt for hitting a woman? Yes, yes he is.
3. Does the punishment fit the crime? Personally I don't think so, it's gone overboard IMHO.

Anyone defending points 1 & 2 are idiots IMHO,

You can argue 3.

That's all I was saying really.

what punishment? he's free as a bird. the courts gave another nikka 7 yrs for hitting his girl and dragging her out the building.

his rep being tarnished should be the least of his worries.

 

[Brown_Pride]

what punishment? he's free as a bird. the courts gave another nikka 7 yrs for hitting his girl and dragging her out the building.

his rep being tarnished should be the least of his worries.

truthfully i stopped paying attention to what they did to him, last I heard he had been arrested etc, etc,. Just googled and found he's doing counseling and was suspended form the NFL indefinitely....

So he got a light legal sentence and lost his livelihood. I guess i'm cool with that. Again don't hit women I find it really hard to be compassionate towards someone who can sock a chick the way he did.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Yo lets clear this up since you took a long ass time to reply on why he shouldn't lose his job. Do you agree with domestic violence?

I know several people who lost their job due to domestic violence, and they were regular guys, they weren't highly paid athletes who are supposed to be role models. You don't just get overpaid to run the football, there is a lot that goes with it. It's about the fan base, about selling jersey's about support. It's all a money making machine. The main difference is that us normal people aren't on TMZ every step of the way, not only do I know people who lost their job due to domestic violence, but i know people who are in JAIL due to it. Now that is a problem here, this isn't even a "nfl case" this should be a legal case, right now AP is home collecting checks, crazy punishment right? Just imagine your boss was like yo, sit home for a year, I will still pay you your salary but stay home. Wow... tough punishment, I am sure you will really regret what you did after that one? It's a joke, us regular people 9/10 would have been in jail after that video came out, better yet we would have been in jail when we walked out that elevator dragging her like a caveman. So your telling me your boss wouldn't fire you if you got locked up for beating your wife? The company I work for, every department head hands out an employee packet that you must sign when a new hire comes on board. And there are several no tolerance sections, and 1 is domestic violance. Basically if my job finds out you have a situation, you are fired. There is no grey area, there no suspension with pay, nothing. You are fired. So by you saying people keeping jobs, it depends on the company/boss. Though every corporate office I been in, your better off smoking crack int he lounge then getting in a domestic violence situation.

A plumber beats his wife, its not on the news, its not in the paper for everyone to see. You can still go unclog someones toilet, its up to your boss on making a decision if he should let you go. There is no fear (maybe locally, through word of mouth) of customers to stop using that plumbing company due to having a woman beater as their handyman.

A football player beats his wife, fans are outraged, they wont buy that players jersey anymore -$$, they are protesting -$$, they are complaining -$$, they are ripping into the team everyday -$$. Season ticket holders threatening to cancel their tickets -$$$, advertisers want to separate their selves from the situation -$$. It all snowballs, and the NFL more then any other sport its just not worth it. You have a short shelf life in the NFL, try to stay squeaky clean for 8-10 years and you can live 60 years like a king. Or you can do something like this and jeopardize everything at the age of 30.

Fact is your sticking up for him losing his job, if it was you or I, we would be worried about our freedom first, career 2nd...

What kind of job is this where people lose their job for domestic violence, even public figures.

It aint baseball. Baseball never kicked out Scott Erickson or Brett Myers when they got arrested.

It aint hockey. Hockey aint kick OR EVEN SUSPEND that Russian dude who beat up his wife last year.

http://www.si.com/nhl/2014/09/11/nhl-domestic-violence-policy-after-nfl-ray-rice-scandal

They wasn't cops. I just posted that other article about how cops have 4X THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RATE as the NFL does and yet virtually NONE of them lose their jobs.

It aint HOLLYWOOD, where Mel Gibson, Tom Sizemore, Sean Penn, Charlie Sheen, David Hassellhoff, and TONS of actors have been arrested for omestic violence

So, where exactly is this magical profession where people lose their jobs for something that even COPS don't lose their jobs for?

And it's also BULLshyt that the fans are outraged.

90% of NFL fans said this would have NO bearing on their NFL watching.

There were even DOZENS of women who showed up at the Ravens home opener wearing Ray Rice jerseys and supporting Ray Rice.

Ray Rice played in the pre-season and was CHEERED by Balitmore Ravens fans when he came in the game.

Don't you get it?

Nobody's outraged but the media, feminists who are using this to shed light on an issue, and the hoe ass captain save a hoes who like to think that they're "enlightened" and "sensitive" to women's issues. Most people don't care what NFL players, rappers, singers, or plumbers do in their own fukking time.

Ironically, the owner of the Minnesota Vikings' son, who handles all of his father's business JUST got in trouble for domestic violence and I've seen NO outrage or any swelling of sentiment that this guy has to fire his son from his business because he beat his wife for 20 years.

Hell, he got arrested and got the SAME THING that Ray Rice did which was a probationary program.

what punishment? he's free as a bird. the courts gave another nikka 7 yrs for hitting his girl and dragging her out the building.

his rep being tarnished should be the least of his worries.

Please MOST 1st time offenders of domestic violence do NOT get jail time.

Ray Rice got what most 1st time offenders get. Look it up.

 

[606onit]

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