Republicans are shook that new safety net measures will give workers too much power

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Trump and His Allies Are Worried About More Than November
The temporary imposition of popular relief programs in response to the coronavirus makes Republicans nervous.


By Jamelle Bouie


In the face of mass unemployment and a rapidly contracting economy, President Trump is desperate to end the pandemic lockdown and bring the country back on line. That’s why he spent the past week asserting his “total” authority to reopen the economy (“The president of the United States calls the shots”) and promising a rapid return to normal: “Our country has to get open, and it will get open, and it’ll get open safely and hopefully quickly — some areas quicker than others,” he said on Tuesday.

Republicans in Congress, likewise, are urging an end to the freeze. “It should have happened yesterday,” Representative Andy Biggs of Arizona, chairman of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus, told Politico. Representative Trey Hollingsworth of Indiana acknowledged the chance of “loss of life” from an early end to social distancing but asserted, nonetheless, that it was better than the alternative. “It is policymakers’ decision to put on our big boy and big girl pants and say it is the lesser of these two evils,” he said to a local radio station. Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana was even more blunt during an interview on Fox News on Wednesday. “We gotta reopen, and when we do, the coronavirus is going to spread faster, and we got to be ready for it.”

No doubt there is real concern for the economic and health consequences of an extended shutdown. But Republicans, and Trump in particular, are also thinking about November. If the president knows anything, it’s that his fate rises and falls with the state of the economy. And if he loses his campaign for re-election, then in this polarized environment of nationalized politics, he’s likely to take congressional Republicans down with him.

But I think there’s another element underlying the push to reopen the economy despite the threat it poses to American lives, a dynamic beyond partisanship that explains why much of the conservative political ecosystem, from politicians and donors to activists and media personalities, has joined the fight to end the lockdown.

To even begin to tackle this crisis, Congress had to contemplate policies that would be criticized as unacceptably radical under any other circumstances. At $2.2 trillion, the initial relief package was a bill that was more than twice the size of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act passed in 2009. Further aid is almost certainly forthcoming, and Democrats, at least, are contemplating trillions more in additional stimulus, including universal basic income for the duration of the crisis, a COBRA expansion that would cover 100 percent of health care costs for laid-off and furloughed workers and a proposal to cover payrolls for nearly every business in America. On top of all of this, the Federal Reserve is flooding the economy with trillions of dollars in rescue loans and bond purchases, to stabilize markets and keep interest rates low.

In one short month, the United States has made a significant leap toward a kind of emergency social democracy, in recognition of the fact that no individual or community could possibly be prepared for the devastation wrought by the pandemic. Should the health and economic crisis extend through the year, there’s a strong chance that Americans will move even further down that road, as businesses shutter, unemployment continues to mount and the federal government is the only entity that can keep the entire economy afloat.

But this logic — that ordinary people need security in the face of social and economic volatility — is as true in normal times as it is under crisis. If something like a social democratic state is feasible under these conditions, then it is absolutely possible when growth is high and unemployment is low. And in the wake of two political campaigns — Bernie Sanders’s and Elizabeth Warren’s — that pushed progressive ideas into the mainstream of American politics, voters might begin to see this essential truth.

If the electoral danger for the Republican Party is that voters will blame the president for high unemployment and mass death — a reasonable fear, given how Trump loudly denied the threat in the face of warnings from inside and outside his administration — then the ideological danger is that it undermines the ideological project that captured the state with President Ronald Reagan and is on the path to victory under Donald Trump.

Republicans haven’t openly expressed this, but they seem aware of it, to the extent that on the eve of approval of the first coronavirus bill, they tried to kill the most generous provisions of relief — an enormous expansion of unemployment insurance. The reason? “The moment we go back to work, we cannot create an incentive for people to say, ‘I don’t need to go back to work because I can do better someplace else,’” Senator Rick Scott of Florida explained on the Senate floor. In other words, we cannot help people so much that they can effectively bargain for better wages; crisis or not, we must discipline the working class.

There’s no guarantee that Americans will respond to the pandemic and economic collapse with support for more and greater assistance from the federal government. But the possibility is there and it will become more apparent the longer this continues. If the rolling depressions of the late 19th century disrupted the social order enough to open the space for political radicalism — from the agrarian uprising of the Farmers’ Alliance to the militant agitation of the industrial labor movement — then the one-two punch of the Great Recession and the Pandemic Depression might do the same for us.

In which case, it makes all the sense in the world for Trump, the Republican Party and the conservative movement to push for the end of the lockdown, public health be damned. After years of single-minded devotion, the conservative movement is achingly close to dismantling the New Deal political order and turning the clock back to when capital could act without limits or restraints.

But in trying to destroy the administrative state — in trying to make government small enough to “drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub” — conservatives left the country vulnerable to a deadly disease that has undermined that project and galvanized its opponents.

And all of this is happening as one of the most progressive generations in history begins to take its place in our politics, its views informed by two decades of war and economic crisis.

Yes, nothing is set in stone and, yes, events still have to unfold. But at this moment in American life, it feels as if one movement, a reactionary one, is beginning to unravel and another, very different in its outlook, is beginning to take shape.
 

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tl/dr: Those in power maintain it by keeping the average American constantly in need and subject to the whims of capitalists and the economy. Republicans are shook that if workers get a taste of the safety net and actual margin to choose one's own destiny, they'll realize that what's possible during a crisis is even more possible during normal/good economic times and might push to hold their gains.

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He's right. And given how quickly republicans surrendered on the (weekly) $600 unemployment benefit, they know they're walking on ice.

Biden is going to run on a stimulus. It's such an obvious move and nearly every democrat senator is calling for it. I'm amazed Trump hasn't caught on. He has no idelaogical center outside of doing whatever benefits him. Paying every American a grand a month would be a good idea to get re-elected. Instead he's doing nothing.

Biden's leverage is that if he wins and democrats take the senate...Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders will be writing the first 2021 phased stimulus.
 

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i'm not sure i follow the premise of this article

we didnt get that two trillion by raising taxes on the rich, or any organic means. we printed it out of thin air in an emergency to stave off a crisis

what is sustainable about that long-term? :dahell: i dont even see any democrats making that case. is this just a case for printing money?

i'm all for taking free money, but from an objective standpoint i thought we....can't really do that :dead:
 

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i'm not sure i follow the premise of this article

we didnt get that two trillion by raising taxes on the rich, or any organic means. we printed it out of thin air in an emergency to stave off a crisis

what is sustainable about that long-term? :dahell: i dont even see any democrats making that case. is this just a case for printing money?

i'm all for taking free money, but from an objective standpoint i thought we....can't really do that :dead:
A lot of americans who thought safety nets were only for lazy people are now realizing they might not be that bad. The funding is the easy part, especially once the economy starts booming again and less ppl need it. raise taxes on high earners or a VAT. The question is whether the average American will support a more robust safety net... which they might after this is all over.
 

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A lot of americans who thought safety nets were only for lazy people are now realizing they might not be that bad. .
who doesnt want the government printing them a free two grand a month? :dead: i'll gladly take that

but theres a difference between printing money in the middle of an emergency and doing it in perpetuity :dahell: we're talking about politicians here, the biggest whores on the planet. if it was feasible to print money and give it away to everyone, then why hasnt every one of them been running on that idea since the beginning of time? what would get you more votes than that?

The funding is the easy part, .
what? :russ::
 

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i'm not sure i follow the premise of this article

we didnt get that two trillion by raising taxes on the rich, or any organic means. we printed it out of thin air in an emergency to stave off a crisis

what is sustainable about that long-term? :dahell: i dont even see any democrats making that case. is this just a case for printing money?

i'm all for taking free money, but from an objective standpoint i thought we....can't really do that :dead:
The lesson is when they say, "How are you gonna pay for that?" They are bullshyting you and don't want to pay for whatever you are proposing not that they can't. They obviously can, they giving away trillions in one fail swoop when the social programs they act like they can't afford are only billions per year.
 

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The lesson is when they say, "How are you gonna pay for that?" They are bullshyting you and don't want to pay for whatever you are proposing not that they can't. They obviously can, they giving away trillions in one fail swoop when the social programs they act like they can't afford are only billions per year.

That question ONLY...ONLY comes out when normal people have a chance to get money... more brainwashing and they don't even know it :wow:
 

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who doesnt want the government printing them a free two grand a month? :dead: i'll gladly take that

but theres a difference between printing money in the middle of an emergency and doing it in perpetuity :dahell: we're talking about politicians here, the biggest whores on the planet. if it was feasible to print money and give it away to everyone, then why hasnt every one of them been running on that idea since the beginning of time? what would get you more votes than that?


what? :russ::
freeze military spending and repeal the crazy repub tax cuts and we'll have enough for an improved welfare state, just for s start. I don't know if it'll be 2000 dollars a month regardless of employment status good (nor am I sure that's a goal we should even be seeking) but you could easily do small things like expand section 8 and food stamp eligiblity.
 

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i'm not sure i follow the premise of this article

we didnt get that two trillion by raising taxes on the rich, or any organic means. we printed it out of thin air in an emergency to stave off a crisis

what is sustainable about that long-term? :dahell: i dont even see any democrats making that case. is this just a case for printing money?

i'm all for taking free money, but from an objective standpoint i thought we....can't really do that :dead:
Two trillion isn't remotely necessary. Most of that is for bailing out businesses, medical services, the lost revenue of local/state governments, and dealing with expected record unemployment. A meaningful safety net would be a fraction of that.

Just in the last 12 years we've watched a $700 billion bailout, a $800 billion stimulus, a $2 trillion tax cut, and now a $2 trillion bailout/stimulus. And that's not even counting the regular increases, like Trump increasing military spending by $150 billion A YEAR since he got into power. Talking like the money isn't there is ridiculous.

We're literally the wealthiest nation in the history of the world.



who doesnt want the government printing them a free two grand a month? :dead: i'll gladly take that

but theres a difference between printing money in the middle of an emergency and doing it in perpetuity :dahell: we're talking about politicians here, the biggest whores on the planet. if it was feasible to print money and give it away to everyone, then why hasnt every one of them been running on that idea since the beginning of time? what would get you more votes than that?:
Well, first off, look at the far more robust security nets in most other Western nations and you can see that plenty of countries without our resources still HAVE been doing it.

The article is literally telling you why our politicians don't. Because it reduces the power of the ruling class.
 

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The lesson is when they say, "How are you gonna pay for that?" They are bullshyting you and don't want to pay for whatever you are proposing not that they can't. They obviously can, they giving away trillions in one fail swoop when the social programs they act like they can't afford are only billions per year.
freeze military spending and repeal the crazy repub tax cuts and we'll have enough for an improved welfare state, just for s start. I don't know if it'll be 2000 dollars a month regardless of employment status good (nor am I sure that's a goal we should even be seeking) but you could easily do small things like expand section 8 and food stamp eligiblity.
im all for improving the welfare state, but i think that a crisis where we had to print money is a shytty example

and if the article is true, then maybe the dems will just start winning more elections since they run on this shyt :ehh:
 

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Two trillion isn't remotely necessary. Most of that is for bailing out businesses, medical services, the lost revenue of local/state governments, and dealing with expected record unemployment. A meaningful safety net would be a fraction of that.

Just in the last 12 years we've watched a $700 billion bailout, a $800 billion stimulus, a $2 trillion tax cut, and now a $2 trillion bailout/stimulus. And that's not even counting the regular increases, like Trump increasing military spending by $150 billion A YEAR since he got into power. Talking like the money isn't there is ridiculous.

We're literally the wealthiest nation in the history of the world.


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and we're also gonna collapse some day and lose power at the pace we're at :dahell:it's inevitable. this is a very young country

so you can either keep printing money forever until it's worthless, or you're gonna need that fukkin military you hate so much to make sure that money is worth anything :russ:
 

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who doesnt want the government printing them a free two grand a month? :dead: i'll gladly take that

but theres a difference between printing money in the middle of an emergency and doing it in perpetuity :dahell: we're talking about politicians here, the biggest whores on the planet. if it was feasible to print money and give it away to everyone, then why hasnt every one of them been running on that idea since the beginning of time? what would get you more votes than that?


what? :russ::
How would you fund it if someone presented the problem to you
 
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