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Have you seen this happening in your cities. There's this phenomenon I found out about a few years ago, some group of investors buys up a bunch of sometimes-related restaurants. I'm guessng this is just about investment, but I don't think it's as simple as someone owning a string of franchises. Anyway reason I bring this up is the past few years I've seen that these groups are closing *sucessful* restaurants. I mean places you always see packed. Curious if anyone had any inside scoop on why this is happening.
 

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I'm at a loss

could be a tax scheme or money laundering thing

restaurants are usually money losing businesses and the failure rate is really high as well so they could have no idea what they're doing or be inexperienced

are they foreigners?
 
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most investors have no knowledge of how to run a business they invest in. they see the numbers but cannot replicate under new ownership. also financials are usually inflated for buyout sales. i have no idea why they would buy a biz and close it unless they are developers
 

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How do you know they are tanking them?

No clue just guessing, was talking to my girl today and yet another successful restaurant is getting shut down. That's the one that had me :jbhmm:

I used to love going to the Joes Crab Shack in KC, about the only decent sea food you can get around here. It was a staple family joint especially on the weekends. They'd do the singing and shyt for birthdays,staff dancing to popular songs in rotation, have kids doing congo lines with waitresses and all that. Always packed, it was one of the first that went down as a part of some investment group.
 

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I mean couldn't it just be that the restaurant industry blows?

These groups buy successful restaurants and make some changes to improve profitability, usually by changing staffing and modifying the menu to have less items and to require fewer ingredients to be kept in storage. If those changes don't work itsover.gif

None of the conspiracy I can come up with make sense here v
 

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I see it and just assume it has more to do with the owner of the buildings because there are trendy places coming and going

Like there’s a poke place, a ban mi sandwich place, and a Korean place that’s just a few Asian places there’s more and more cultures
 

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No clue just guessing, was talking to my girl today and yet another successful restaurant is getting shut down. That's the one that had me :jbhmm:

I used to love going to the Joes Crab Shack in KC, about the only decent sea food you can get around here. It was a staple family joint especially on the weekends. They'd do the singing and shyt for birthdays,staff dancing to popular songs in rotation, have kids doing congo lines with waitresses and all that. Always packed, it was one of the first that went down as a part of some investment group.

I'm from KC breh.

As far as Joe's Crab Shack, you talking about the one that used to be on Jackson Drive? The entire company that owed it went bankrupt and got auctioned off.

Also, from what I heard around that time the real estate company that owned all the property in the area wanted to raise the rent crazy high. Which is why that whole area damn near died. I ain't been over that way in a minute but that's why that entire strip mall area across from Joe's got abandoned.

Fred.
 

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I'm from KC breh.

As far as Joe's Crab Shack, you talking about the one that used to be on Jackson Drive? The entire company that owed it went bankrupt and got auctioned off.

Also, from what I heard around that time the real estate company that owned all the property in the area wanted to raise the rent crazy high. Which is why that whole area damn near died. I ain't been over that way in a minute but that's why that entire strip mall area across from Joe's got abandoned.

Fred.

i meant the one in Olathe off 119th. Might be the same group though.
 

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Have you seen this happening in your cities. There's this phenomenon I found out about a few years ago, some group of investors buys up a bunch of sometimes-related restaurants. I'm guessng this is just about investment, but I don't think it's as simple as someone owning a string of franchises. Anyway reason I bring this up is the past few years I've seen that these groups are closing *sucessful* restaurants. I mean places you always see packed. Curious if anyone had any inside scoop on why this is happening.

They just want the real estate.
 

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They just want the real estate.

Nah that doesn't many any sense.

If the restaurant owned the land, then the interested party would just make an offer to buy the land.

And that's assuming the restaurant owns the land it's built on. Half of the time, they don't. I worked at a place back in the 90's that was paying $18,000 a month rent, and it wasn't even in a super popular area.

Fred.
 

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The business is general has low profit margins, even like highly acclaimed Michelin star spots, like Illiana Regans, in Chicago are a nightmare financially, much less a bustling corner spot in a neighborhood in, say, San Diego. Not saying people like Jose Andres and Jean Georges don't make massive amounts of money, but that's the top of the top.

Normal business profits are about 10-20%, I think restaurants are like 5-7%.
 
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Have you seen this happening in your cities. There's this phenomenon I found out about a few years ago, some group of investors buys up a bunch of sometimes-related restaurants. I'm guessng this is just about investment, but I don't think it's as simple as someone owning a string of franchises. Anyway reason I bring this up is the past few years I've seen that these groups are closing *sucessful* restaurants. I mean places you always see packed. Curious if anyone had any inside scoop on why this is happening.

A few things:

1. Restaurants can be busy and still fail. Happens all the time. It's great to have a lot of people come in but if you cant manage costs, or your avg. revenue per diner is low, or if there are disputes between owners etc.
2. It's possible they are interested in the business itself, that also happens. And where it can go wrong is if the investors don't have a feel for why the place is popular and they bring in a corporate culture that focuses more on penny pinching or they start making changes to the menu etc that might make sense for where they come from but end up costing customer loyalty. SOmetimes you'll see investor group (or maybe a larger company) buy a restaurant, run it into the ground and then sell it back to the original owners at a discounted price. Or they get rid of it and the new owners are able to turn it back to what it was before and they flourish. This is what happened when McDonalds invested in CHIPOTLE.

Nah that doesn't many any sense.

If the restaurant owned the land, then the interested party would just make an offer to buy the land.

And that's assuming the restaurant owns the land it's built on. Half of the time, they don't. I worked at a place back in the 90's that was paying $18,000 a month rent, and it wasn't even in a super popular area.

Fred.

Breh, investors do this all the time. In many industries not just food. Think about it. If there is a successful restaurant or store etc in a location, 90% of the work involved in being a successful real estate investor/developer has already been done for you. If the biz is already successful it means there is a lot of foot traffic, that you're in an area that is accessible to customers, that you're near the target demographic and that these ppl have disposable income. Assuming they have no interest in the underlying business, they will take it over, bleed it for any cash then try to market it some other way. That's what happened to Sears. Was taken over, bled then the head of the investment group formed a development company that took over the best locations for redevelopment (happening in Chicago as we speak).

Again they're not buying this land bc they want to be in the food business. Ubereats and all of these delivery options are hurting a lot of restaurants nowadays. Not sure if you've heard of ghost restaurants, but they are basically "virtual" restaurants where you order off their menu but the food is made in a commercial kitchen then delivered to you. Hard to compete against someone that doesn't have the same overhead expenses. These investors just want to redevelop, cash out then move to the next deal.
 

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Breh, investors do this all the time. In many industries not just food. Think about it. If there is a successful restaurant or store etc in a location, 90% of the work involved in being a successful real estate investor/developer has already been done for you. If the biz is already successful it means there is a lot of foot traffic, that you're in an area that is accessible to customers, that you're near the target demographic and that these ppl have disposable income. Assuming they have no interest in the underlying business, they will take it over, bleed it for any cash then try to market it some other way. That's what happened to Sears. Was taken over, bled then the head of the investment group formed a development company that took over the best locations for redevelopment (happening in Chicago as we speak).

Again they're not buying this land bc they want to be in the food business. Ubereats and all of these delivery options are hurting a lot of restaurants nowadays. Not sure if you've heard of ghost restaurants, but they are basically "virtual" restaurants where you order off their menu but the food is made in a commercial kitchen then delivered to you. Hard to compete against someone that doesn't have the same overhead expenses. These investors just want to redevelop, cash out then move to the next deal.

Man, that's a lot more than what you said in your initial post. :mjlol:

The Sears situation is not as simple as you're making it seem. Sears has been doing terrible for 15+ years at this point, it didn't fail because someone bled it dry. They chose to bleed it dry at a point when it was obvious the company wasn't salvageable.

Who Killed Sears? Fifty Years on the Road to Ruin

And the sole reason they sold off the best locations for redevelopment was because they were desperate for money:

As Sears' prospects fade, however, investors began eyeing its real estate. Sears spun off around 200 properties into a real estate investment trust (REIT) that began trading as Seritage Growth Properties (SRG) in July 2015. Other assets have been spun off as well, including Lands' End and Sears Canada. Stanley Black & Decker (SWK) agreed to buy Craftsman in January 2017.

It's the same reason they sold off their tool line and household appliances.

As far as the restaurant example....again, people with no interest in the food service industry aren't going to buy a restaurant. Not saying it's never happened but if you want a location, you buy the land. Not what's on it.

Fred.
 
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