Royce Da 5'9 says Big Daddy Kane couldn't out rap a picture of Jay-Z

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:francis: he could have said it differently but he's right. I've brought this up in barber shops before in reference to Rakim being so many people's #1 vs Jay and I've been blasted for it.
 

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Let's not get crazy with canibus, and he'd probably be scared to go in the booth with pun. Pun would eat him on wax and then smack him with the mic stand

:what: Canibus was killing everyone on callabo's back then. Jay would've been another mark.

Rakim got the best of him though, but that's what goats do.
 

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He’s not right. Cant outrap a picture bruh? Nah. No way. Lol
I also hate when nikkas use the excuse "Well, I'm a professional, I know more than the fans" like athletes, rappers, entertainers haven't all said some dumb shyt pertaining to their fields.

I think we all can admit Jay > Kane but the gap Royce is acting like it is is absurd.
 

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I also hate when nikkas use the excuse "Well, I'm a professional, I know more than the fans" like athletes, rappers, entertainers haven't all said some dumb shyt pertaining to their fields.

And with that...there are levels to being a professional...or a "Master", as Royce called himself. He's admitted on the podcast that Lupe is probably the best MC ever to him...so if Lupe has a higher level of Mastery than him and Lupe is telling him he's buggin then he should probably fall back a little on his stance.

Royce is great but truth be told he's not consistently showing up on any Top 50 ever lists, for the most part. He's great with multis, he's improved like crazy over the years in overall song-making but at root he's just another multi-syllabic, Great Value version of Eminem. No one would ever rank him over even a picture of Big Daddy Kane, lol.
 

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I also hate when nikkas use the excuse "Well, I'm a professional, I know more than the fans" like athletes, rappers, entertainers haven't all said some dumb shyt pertaining to their fields.

I think we all can admit Jay > Kane but the gap Royce is acting like it is is absurd.
I prefer Kane's music, but I wouldn't argue the lyrical aspect. There is no way to justify a statement like that. Just disrespect, pure and simple.
 

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You can say someone is a better rapper than someone else without being flat out disrespectful.


It's not about being respectful or disrespectful


Kane was a better rapper than Jay-Z

Just because Kane was around in the 80s doesn't mean he had an outdated rhyme style. Kane could still rhyme as well as anyone in the late 90s/early 00s. If he had a label behind him to get him some proper production and promotion, he could have enjoyed a career resurgence.
 

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:francis: he could have said it differently but he's right. I've brought this up in barber shops before in reference to Rakim being so many people's #1 vs Jay and I've been blasted for it.

The problem with people who think like Royce (which is most)...very surface thinkers, is they go no deeper than the surface. "Jay-Z has way more and way better flows and rhyme patterns and bars than Kane"....or a Rakim in your case.

Dont judge someone's skillset completely just off of what you're hearing...theres way more things to consider. Who did Kane have to study and learn from and steal from and trace over, etc... when he hit the scene in terms of a body of work in 87-88?? Now, who did Jay-Z have to study and learn from and steal from and trace over when he dropped in 96?? Keeping in mind that in that almost 10 year gap between the two, the talent/skill naturally evolved and got way more advanced (which happens in almost everything). All great rappers should be a more advanced version of the great rappers that predate them...especially when it's like a 5-10 year advancement between them.

Royce is actually completely dead wrong, the Rakims and Kanes and G Raps and them are more skilled, imo, because they had far far less source material and muses to draw from. And even the MC's that predate them, who had pretty much NOTHING to pattern their shyt after, deserve all the respect in the world. You cant expect a Nas or Jay-Z to hit the scene in the mid-90's rapping like "Rapper's Delight"...of course they're more advanced...because their influences were advanced...so to even compare them with their predecessors is extremely surface level thinking. It's like comparing the Compass inventor to the GPS inventor and trying to shyt on the Compass maker for not being as skilled as the GPS maker...he didnt have the tools/advancements/reference points, it's a dumb comparison.
 
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