[Serious] Lets talk seriously here for a minute about this election, voting, and race

Dr. Acula

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Please take time to read and respond seriously.

I added the bracket on serious because I'm speaking from the heart here as if we're family. Removing the politics and simple political disagreement and being serious about ramifications here.

I'm not going to share too many personal details because I still enjoy the anonymity of my online participation but I will share some real anecdotes here. Instead of engaging in snark and one-upmanship that can happen with these types of topics, I want to talk about this seriously.

I have a direct family member who works in a midwesten town that traditionally votes republican. Theyre a doctor. Over the past year or two, as this election progresses there is a noticeable shift in racial incidents and comments being made that are becoming more bold. I will share two.

The first one happened while they were working in an OR case with another surgeon. They were discussing a variety of topics and it happened to circle around to some topic where race suddenly came up. To preface, this family member is black but very light skin (only highlighting the randomness of genetic expression but I digress). Think Mariah Carey and even then this person isn't "mixed race". They had a completely black father and mixed race mother.

Anyways, noting that these individuals were getting too comfortable with their talk, they let them know that they are actually black. Keep in mind they are working on a patient, a baby, at this time under anesthesia. At this point the talk ceased And before this family member had time to respond, he reaches over the table and lifts up their Surgical cap to look at their hair. Completely violating that person's personal space and looking at them like they were some sort of zoo animal and felt completely entitled to put their hands on another person

Since at the time this person was working on a little baby, they didn't want to get into it at that moment and just went back to work. Talk was sparse after this.

Second anecdote, which is more recent. Another case, where they are work with two other doctors. One of the doctors asks the other if they ever heard of chitterlings. The doctor says no. The other doctor proceeds to say yeah I was in line yesterday while these two c00ns were buying them.

Then there is a number of incidents less blantant such as nurses saying "blacks only like shooting each other " and just a variety of other racist shyt.

While these incidents aren't the most egregious examples, I wanted to share them because they are happening with more frequency than before and these incidents are happening to people in my own family. It's not just some distant news story. They aren't the only ones and we all know these incidents always occurred and ideas were always there.

My geniune concern here is that regardless of what you think of the democratic candidate and I agree with a lot of the issues there, I also feel that a lot of this new alt-right and online white rage culture is getting offline validation through Trump. I know I'm not the first to make this argument and I'm geniunely not trying to use "scare tactics" at least as a means to an end context. No I'm completely sincere in what I think is a real actual outcome.

I know there is a segment of cynics out there that view both sides as corrupt and that is fine. However keep this in mind, North Carolina early voting for blacks was hugely hampered by what was determined by the courts to be racist republican legislation. They purposely looked at black districts and cut down the voting times and locations ONLY in their neighborhoods where in one district they only had ONE polling center for the whole black district. This is in part of a Supreme Court decision that no longer requires these southern states to get federal signoff on voting changes. The reasoning being we're past the 60's and these restrictions are no longer needed. Turned out not to be the case here obviously.

On one side you have people actively working to disenfranchise you; on the other negligence. I hate this choice as much as the next man and I understand the desire to see the whole system burn. At the same time, I have geniune anxiety that we're going down a worse path here with one side. It's not an equivalent comparison. Not an issue of what one side will do for black people more than it's what one side will DO TO black people. I don't want a conservative Supreme Court and I don't want these racist pricks to feel a sense of validation in their culture through a Trump win.

I'm not going to browbeat and shame people for not voting. But, if you're like me and for example no longer thinking of yourself but thinking about starting a family and having kids, maybe consider the pragmatic (yes I know some hate this word ) choice here and go out and vote.

I shared these anecdotes because to me, and hopefully I convey to you, that's it's not about fun chaos and joker like mayhem but there are real world consequences at stake. The fact that this happening to people in my family and making me geniunely upset is why I wanted to make this topic.

Again I don't want to browbeat and shame here but think about this issue with an open mind and introspection.
 

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Giving this one bump then I'll let it ride.
 
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Then man up like i said. What's wrong with some violence anyway? We've always been a violent species.
Im OK with violence but with no plan for rebuilding, there's no point. An all out race war benefits no one except the people promoting it because they have a plan. If black people had an overall plan, I could see the logic. But vengeance is petty. Also, white politics have been shattered. I really feel we should press on in this political system now that we have made it clear we can effect it dramatically.

We could fight but truth is, these folks are destroying themselves. Why enter a 15 year war when in 30, we'll have secured everything we wanted?
 

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Nikkas want a peaceful life where they can pretend racism is dead in order to c00n in peace. Let Trump win and let's have it all out in the open.
No one is pretending is racism is dead. Only the naive and simple minded believe that. However this is a sliding scale and in fact I view a losing battle on the other side politically as a small Win.

Let me ask, do you have kids or plan to have any ? What type of world do you want for them?

Are you geniunely trying to make the world a better place for black people or do you just want to satisfy justifiable rage but with no plan forward ?
 

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I think a lot of nikkas just need to be stop being delusional and succumb to the idea that there is no better...

I think a lot of nikkas just wanna live their lives in blissful ignorance...

There's nothing you can really do about this predicament we are in.

We are the children of slaves and the children of a lesser race. And native born African Americans are straight up orphans.

A lot of motherfukkers are just scared of that realization.

Think they can pro-Black and Black Pride their way out of it...

Think they can assimilate and integrate their way out of it...

Think they can build businesses and profit their way out of it...

We got no friends and we got no allies...and nikkas are too fukking scared to go ahead and face the realization and the condemnation head on...so nikkas vote for a group of White people that think even less of you because they will pity and pander to you during election time and then do absolutely nothing.

Generation X and Millenials need to stop being fukking cowards...and especially Generation X and go ahead and face it...and get used to it now...because later it will be absolutely too late...

They ain't building prisons and having an entire prisons support CAC towns for nothing...

They ain't defunding public schools and making up entire new cities and districts for nothing...

McDonalds ain't talking about having fukking robot cashiers for nothing

They are getting ready to Native American our asses...

And nikkas are too fukking scared...to ponder the thought...that there is absolutely no way out of the situation...besides facing it...and instead of delaying it and ignoring the rage of White folks and the contempt they have for you...
 

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No one is pretending is racism is dead. Only the naive and simple minded believe that. However this is a sliding scale and in fact I view a losing battle on the other side politically as a small Win.

Let me ask, do you have kids or plan to have any ? What type of world do you want for them?

Are you geniunely trying to make the world a better place for black people or do you just want to satisfy justifiable rage but with no plan forward ?

How are we making a world a better place by voting Democrat...
 

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If trump wins it will be complete anarchy...

They already got white dudes, nikkas (probably c00n i barely caught the news clip) in this country ass state of Georgia actually preparing with full on semi-autos and practicing hand to hand combat, etc...


Luckily I already know and have all that. I bought my mom a taser and a nightstick. I really believe the world is going to stop for a day or 2 on some purge shyt regardless of who wins or loses. I'm not as prepared as I like... But guaranteed im bunkering up with whatever friends and family I have or we packing up and moving out to my uncles ranch in Louisiana for a few weeks if it comes to that.

Unfortunately all I have is an AR and about 300 rounds as well, a couple machetes, a few knives/box cutters, handheld solar powered radio, homemade firstaid kit, and a fresh water survival water purifier, a baton/UV-Light, energy-powered jumper cables, and etc..

Whenever they are about to announce, im going to go fill up on gas and buy gas tanks to fill up. As soon as I hear shots or explosions.. We dipping the fukk out of GA and riding to the middle of fukking nowhere Louisiana with my bama folk. My Florida fam will be fine i hope, surrounded by minorites like themselves. I got places they can go and hide as well
 

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i honestly dont think it matters who wins :yeshrug: these motherfukkers are just racists. whoever's in the white house...has it mattered the last 8 years?

of course a lotta these people are gonna feel 'empowered' under a trump presidency, and there would be some acting out. some violence. but how is hillary winning the opposite of that? its gonna be just like under obama, when they are/will do the same shyt

i mean you could argue in a sense that having trump in the white house could placate them, while the obama effect of 'we're under attack, white male power is fading away, etc' is gonna increase with hillary. because a lot of the country is fukked up right now. it might be a big advantage being white as opposed to other races, but it doesnt guarantee prosperity and success. it doesnt mean a hell of a lot when your ass is working at walmart and broke as fukk, looking for shyt to be angry about. and thats a LOT of people right now
 
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