Sha Stimuli On His Career & A Planned Return To Rap Interview

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Sha Stimuli On His Career & A Planned Return To Rap
Sha Stimuli details his history in hip-hop and the behind-the-scenes developments that carried his career forward more than 20 years after his first time in the booth.

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More than two decades into an on-and-off career in hip-hop, Sha Stimuli sounds flattered to simply be talking about himself. The Brooklyn emcee began making music as a child in the early '90s with his brother, producer Lord Digga, and later embarked on a professional career that slowly gained steam throughout the 2000s (Lord Digga, who is a rapper himself as well, was a MEMBER of the group Masta Ace Incorporated and later produced three songs on The Notorious B.I.G.'s Ready To Die as half of the duo The Bluez Brothers).

Speaking with Arena, Sha reflects on his trajectory in music, from his first experience in the booth earning him a feature on Masta Ace's album in 1993 to his time interning for a then-nascent Roc-A-Fella label while he was in college. His career milestones are marked by behind-the-scenes maneuvers and near-breakout moments, and throughout the early 2000s he jumped through old-industry hoops to SECURE a deal for himself at Virgin Records. His big break never came, and after sitting in major label purgatory for two years, Stimuli watched the industry begin to devolve into an Internet-based free-for-fall before releasing a mixtape a month in 2008, a hint at his own second wind.

Not long ago, he was INVITED to record a verse on 106 & Park's The Backroom, and the clip was released just weeks before an announcement that the show was set to end its run. For fans, the nearly five-minute performance was quick proof that Sha has more to offer, and while he doesn't sound exactly set on what's next, it's hard to imagine him STEPPING away from the mic.

Arena: One of the releases I was most excited about last year came from a small hip-hop LABEL in France. They released what was previously unreleased Masta Ace material recorded in 1992. One of the tracks, called "Hell Up In Harlem," features a young emcee by the name Kid Dynamite. I'm not sure if you were aware that the record was released. Can you explain how you came to record with Masta Ace in the early '90s?

Sha Stimuli: (Laughs) Wow. I had no idea. "Hell Up In Harlem," I was a little kid. My brother, Lord Digga, went to high-school with Masta Ace. My brother used to bring me around all the time, anytime they would go into the studio, little things like that. Ace knew I was writing raps. I guess he heard me rhyme here and there so he just wanted to get me on a song. I don't even know if he remembers that I was on more than one record.

He picked me up from middle school and brought me to the studio. That was like one of the most exciting days of my childhood. He was out here last month and I told him about it, he was like, "Man, I don't even remember that." Yeah, that was my first time in the booth. I was really excited. We did "Hell Up In Harlem," I was on the "Movin' On" remix I think. And then I was on the Slaughtahouse album.

Arena: What were you hoping to achieve with hip-hop at that point? Did you realize music as a possible career even then?

Sha Stimuli: I just wanted to get better. It wasn't like it is now where everybody raps. At that age, to be able to be around guys that had chosen hip-hop as their careers, you're seeing it live, it became a reality for me. My thing was to get better and hopefully challenge Kriss Kross and whoever was doing it at the time (laughs).

Arena: You mentioned your brother Lord Digga, it sounds like he was responsible for bringing you into the industry at an early age.

Sha Stimuli: Yeah, he was bringing me around. We were kind of in the house experimenting with rap together. He had just kind of started doing beats and he started rhyming. We were 10 years apart, but I was doing the same thing. We were both kind of novice. When Ace brought him around, I would just ask to come to the studio. I think I was kind of [helpful] to what he was doing. I would find SAMPLES . We would talk about music all the time. He knew that I had a good ear and understood certain things. When he first started doing beats he would play the beats or he would play something in his room, I'd come in there like, "Yo, what's that?" I was real inquisitive.

I gotta say, looking outside of myself, I was a cool kid. I wasn't annoying. It wasn't anything for him to bring me to the studio. My mother wasn't tripping about it as long as I went to school the next day. So when I was at video shoots or in the studio late, as long as I got up and went to school she was alright with it. Me just being around, sitting there quietly, waiting for them to speak to me, I didn't speak to anybody out of turn.

Arena: A few years after that initial verse on Masta Ace's record, you ENTERED the hip-hop industry from a different angle and interned at Roc-A-Fella. I'm not sure if that was off the strength of your brother's connections as well. What was that experience like?

Sha Stimuli: That was great. It actually had nothing to do with my brother. I went to college with Jay Z's cousin, it was a girl I was seeing. She was somehow related to Jay. I would go to her room, me and my rap partner at the time, and she would have all these Jay Z posters up. She would have things before [they were released]. BACK then it was kind of tough to get your hands on stuff so I when I see her with Roc-A-Fella t-shirtsβ€”and this was '96β€”I was like, "What's going on? How is this happening?" She had all the stuff. I was trying to find out what was up. She thought I was trying to get my demo to Roc-A-Fella. I was like, "Nah, I want a job."

When I walked in there, they were like, "This is not really for college kids, this is more for high-school interns. We can't really pay you but like $50 a week." I was like, "That's fine. I'll do it." From there, just being in the office, calling REQUEST lines, learning the business, it was hands on. Seeing the label start from the beginning, it was small. The biggest thing was that everybody believed. Everybody believed in this guy.

My run-ins with Jay were interesting. (Laughs) He was the same Jay. He wasn't really cool with people he didn't know, so he [would] definitely treat you like nothing until he got to know you. (Laughs) That was interesting but it didn't take anything away. I still got a chance to learn.

When school came back around, I actually wanted to quit school, but Chaka Pilgrim, who was very instrumental and works with Roc Nation to this day, she wouldn't let me quit school. She was like, "Use this as a backup and join the street-team. Join the street-team." Trying to be the best street-teamer ever, that's when me and Lenny S kind of got cool and that SET up the rest of my life actually.

Arena: So, quite a few years later you LINKED up with Virgin Records. The industry was at such a different point when you signed than it was when you were interning for Roc-A-Fella. How did the Virgin Records deal come about?

Sha Stimuli: It was a lot of hard work. It was about three years of internal work where I just kind of went into a shell. Some of my boys, we used to get together in Jersey. One of my producers had an apartment in Jersey so I would take the Greyhound every weekend and we would just record. I'd work on my craft, rhyme out loud, and just try to get better and find my place in the game. Sometimes we talk about those days and if we had a camera setup in today's world, we'd have a million views of us just being young and rhyming and having fun. For me, that was like my bootcamp, years and years working on something and figuring out what I wanted to say. It was about 2002 that I decided I wanted people to hear what we were doing and when I STARTED to jump on the mixtape circuit.

I didn't have a JOB all that time. A lot of that frustration with not having money and making struggle rap, it came out in the music. One of the first people I went to was Lenny S. Every year I would probably come to him and say, "Hey, let me show you something and let me know if I should get a job or if I should keep going." 2002, I think, is when his eyebrow kind of raised. He was kind of like, "This is pretty alright." I saw a little difference. He didn't just see me as Sha the intern.

My first mixtape, Let Me Show You The Way, it was a lot of freestyles. It was kind of like my first album to me because it was all the rhymes that I had written in school. A lot of the rhymes were just sitting around. I had so much to say. I think he listened to it one day and called me. This is the guy I interned for BACK in '97, it was 2002, 2003 then. He said he was on a plane with G Roberson and he was like, "I'm playing stuff and we just keep listening to the whole thing." He was like, "Do you have more of this?" I was floored. "Yeah." He's like, "Come to my office."

From there things started to move. I had Joe Budden's crew interested, we had meetings with them. Got paperwork from Desert Storm. All of these production crews were kind of looking at us but no majorLABELS . People just wanted to sign me off of the mixtape and this freestyle CD I did with like 6 freestyles on it.
 
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Arena: It's interesting to hear you talk about Lenny S' approval. That was such a different model for breaking into music than the one that's currently in place. That gatekeeper, someone you can honestly ask, "Should I keep doing this or get a job?" is really not part of the industry in the same way anymore.

Sha Stimuli: Yeah, it's totally different. [Laughs] It's a whole new model. I often think about that. I'm like, "Would I have tried to get better if there was no gatekeeper?" If we could have just hit record and upload it to YouTube and upload it here and there, would I have tried toWORK on my craft and thinking about gatekeepers and thinking about competing with who was hot at the time. When I would hear Grafh on a mixtape and be like, "Oh my God, I gotta catch up to this guy." It was a different time.

Arena: So how did your deal materialize from there?

Sha Stimuli: It was still two years after that meeting with Lenny when he became interested and became part of what I was doing. It was still a length of time. I was theSource Magazine Unsigned Hype, I'm STARTING to get all this online presence which was unheard of at the time. I was on these websites. I had a journal withAllHipHop, was getting my stuff on Hip Hop GAME , constantly doing online interviews when the industry was based off of record SPINS at the time. We put out a vinyl. We'd go to labels they'd say, "You gotta do a vinyl." We're like, "Oh my goodness. More money." We spent like a thousand or something on vinyl.

We did this record with Punjabi MC, which was around the time Jay did the Punjabi MC record, and [we] put it out. All of a sudden,RADIO STATIONS picked it up. It sampled "Billie Jean" and Vanilla Ice. It was like, "This is what they want?" This is terrible. It was not totally against what I was doing but it wasn't what I expected to catch. Now I'm getting meetings with Sony, Columbia, different labels. They're like, "What's the next single?" That wasn't even the single. I'm getting the introduction to the industry and it was kind of confusing me. I'm looking at what I do and it's not really translating. Everyone wanted to know what was next.

Basically what happened, Lenny took a job at Virgin Records. He called me in and was like, "Yo, they have nothing over here. Their only artist is Gorilla Black. I'm gonna bring you in." I was excited. But he got met with resistance because they didn't know what to do with me. They didn't understand what was going on. Long story short, we brought in a portfolio of printouts of all the web stuff. A stack of online interviews, journals, this and that. They're looking at it like, "What the hell is this?" They had me GHOSTWRITING for a couple of their artists, hip-hop artists.

I just kept coming up to the LABEL . I was like a determined intern. Every day I'm meeting staff members, I'm getting cool with them. I'm getting more people on board, playing stuff for certain people. Lionel Ridenour, he was a VP, he liked me so much that he decided to book me on the Mixshow Power Summit in Puerto Rico which is something only the label could go on. I went out there and I killed an a capella and then I did a record called "Clap At Ya." Another one I didn't like. I wrote it for someone else but they liked it. Next thing you know, I get BACK to New York, they're like, "Everybody's going crazy. We gotta sign you now right away."

Arena: Was that weird to be performing songs you wrote for someone else yourself?

Sha Stimuli: I was still trying to find myself. I was still blowing whichever way the wind would take me. I noticed that at the time ... when I did a song called "Clap At Ya," which was like talking about guns and threatening peoples' lives, it mattered to me. I was just like, "I've been in this scenario, this is part of the Stimuli brand as well." But I didn't really fully understand MARKETING . When Jermaine Dupri took that job and he heard about me he was like, "I don't get this record. Why is this record attached with this artist?"

Arena: You've been through a lot of different phases in the industry in that way, from your childhood rapping to the internship to the early 2000s. You also planted a flag early in the online space as well that led up to you releasing a mixtape-a-month in 2008. How did that idea come about?

Sha Stimuli: In '08 it was grasping at straws. I was in such a strange place. When the deal between Virgin and Def Jam kind of fell through in '05, '06, Virgin wouldn't drop me. I was stuck for two years in limbo. Like you talked about, it was gatekeepers. If it was today I wouldn't have cared about the label. We would have just been putting stuff out on our own. At that time we didn't even know what to do, we were just clueless. I had just shot my first video in probably like '07. I was trying to just stand out. I had all of this music, some I thought was for the album, some I thought was for mixtapes. Too much of it talked about what I was going through and I just had to get it out. I got with DJ Victorious and was playing him stuff and he just put it together. He'd give me a CD like, "These sound like they belong together." So I kept a couple of them and just expanded more. Just challenged myself to do something different.

Arena: It's interesting to hear that DJ Victorious was putting it together, that never occurred to me. So you were just kind of hoarding material and handing it off? Some of the releases sound like they must have been made with some shared direction. One of my favorites was the Hotter Than July[Stevie Wonder tribute].

Sha Stimuli: I was hoarding it and he was putting it together and if we had like five songs that sounded similar, like the March On Washington joint, I maybe had three records that were somewhat political or social. I was going through so much and had so much to say.

I just spoke this morning to my mother about Hotter Than July, that was driven. That took the most time out of them. It took me almost a month to do that one. I didn't curse on it. I'm a big Stevie fan, I tried to just say so much and the songs were flowing. I had three that didn't even make it.

To hear my mother playing it this morning for some of our family and talking about the "Heaven" song and how it touched them, and "These Three Words," and I'm sitting there trying to identify with what I was feeling six years ago. It's hard, but I'm glad that I let it out.


Arena: Obviously SKIPPING ahead here, more recently you surprised a lot of people with an out-of-nowhere verse on BET's The Backroom. How did that come about?

Sha Stimuli: After the Rent Tape series [in 2012] I kind of had to take a break. I was just venting every month. It was good THERAPY for me, going through a lot of little social things, trying to figure out where I wanna be in life. I moved to Atlanta, which is where I live now. I broke off an engagement. I'm like, "What am I about to do next?" I didn't wanna just keep chasing music. At a point you feel like it's a chase and it felt like an obligation. So 2013 was the first year that I didn't force any lines. I just took a break. I think I wrote maybe three or four verses. I took my time with them and was saying some things that I really wanted to say. I think the rhymes that I did for The Backroom was a combination of two verses. It was a culmination of words and ideas.

When I got a text message asking me if I wanted to do The Backroom out of nowhere, I was like, "Sure you got the right person?" I said I would love to do it but I'm in Atlanta. Once I picked the date and got the FLIGHT I had time to figure out what I wanted to say. That was an interesting experience. This is like my one opportunity. People that have never heard of me, this is my chance. My mindset is, "Don't go too long so that they'll play it on TV." I don't know what happened. (Laughs) I couldn't stop rapping. I had so much to say.

When I got there, the funny thing is, I'm humbled by the experience. I'm still waiting for them to be like, "Oh, you're the wrong guy!" The producer's a fan. He comes to the little greenROOM like, "I just had to meet you." I'm like, "You sure you talking about me?" I'm just floored. The deejay had no clue who I was, he even said my name wrong. The beat they sent me I didn't like, but at least people will listen to what I'm saying. I felt like that was one of my best, well-rounded verses. I was able to incorporate a flow I've used before, the "look at you" rundown flow.

Arena: From there, where does that leave you with the industry and plans for new music?

Sha Stimuli: I'm totally done with the industry as far as my mindset. I just got married two weeks ago. Lenny S was at the wedding. In the back of my mind, he's somebody I would say that if I had a project done, let's say I do ten songs and have seven videos, all things that really make a difference and statement, I would say, "Hey Len, would you mind listening and consider distributing this with Roc Nation or give me an OPTION to get this heard?"

Same with J. Cole. He was out here last Friday and played me his album. He had a listening session I came late to, and he stopped it. He was like, "Yo Sha, I really wanted you to hear this." He's saying this in front of press people and they're putting the cameras in my face like, "Who the hell is this guy and why does J. Cole want him to hear the album?" After the session was over he sat me down with A COMPUTER and some headphones and let me listen to the album from beginning to end. This is a guy who doesn't have to do that. We met in the studio but he told me maybe three years ago that he was a fan and had sent me beats when I was on Virgin. We been cool, played ball since then.

To ANSWER your question, the thoughts about the industry go as far as saying, you know what, if I had a project I really believed in, would I hit Cole and be like, "What's up with Dreamville? What's up with a cosign? What's up with helping me reach 100,000 instead of the 5,000 that I'd reach on my own.'" That's as far as it goes.

Arena: So just to wrap up, what's next for you? Are you currently WORKING on something?

Sha Stimuli: Real life is hitting me for the first time in my life. That is exciting. Throughout my 20s and early 30s, I didn't live for me. Everything was music. It was always music, music, music. For the first time in my life, I'm kind of letting life live out and that is exciting to me 'cause I'm able to put it into music. Everything I'm saying has a purpose.

I'm working on something right now. I would love to just get 10 solid records that I love, but I know that's gonna take some time. In the meantime, I got some other songs that I think just need to be heard, but I'm not sure how I'm gonna release them yet. Most likely, I'll probably put some things out, but until I get the PROJECT the way I want it -- 2015, you'll definitely hear from me. I can say that. I won't say it's gonna be too different, but it's gonna be a different perspective where I took the curses out. I feel like we have enough negativity out there and I'm not as conflicted as I was about what people want from me.

I'm just gonna say something.
 
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