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The amount of cap room teams will actually have | ShamSports.com

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Note that ALL capholds can be waived anytime before July 10th. So do not use this as gold


Atlanta Hawks


Committed salary for 2013/14: $22,497,415 (view full forecast)

Projected cap space: At most, $35,504,580, but not really.


If Atlanta renounce (or lose) Josh Smith, and renounce their remaining free agents (Kyle Korver, Devin Harris, Zaza Pachulia, Johan Petro, Ivan Johnson, Jeff Teague, Dahntay Jones, Hilton Armstrong, Erick Dampier, Etan Thomas, Randolph Morris and Anthony Tolliver), waive DeShawn Stevenson ($2,240,450, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date), Shelvin Mack ($884,293, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date) and Mike Scott ($788,872, fully unguaranteed until August 15th, thereafter $100,000 guaranteed) and sell or renounce their first round draft picks (#17 and #18 , cap holds of $1,348,200 and $1,280,800), they will have a cap number of $22,995,420 (the committed salary plus nine minimum salary roster charges of $490,180 for having less than twelve things on the cap).

(If you want to get really absurd, they could even amnesty Al Horford. Hypotheticals are fun.)

This is, however, a maximum amount. And it's not a realistic one. Smith's cap hold will be equal to the maximum amount for a nine year veteran, and, while this amount will not be known until the new salary cap figure is determined, a slight increase in the cap will mean a slight increase in the $16,402,500 nine year veteran maximum amount that this year's cap produced. So unless he is renounced, or until he is signed elsewhere, that's a $16.5 million cap hold cutting into that $35.5 million figure. The same is true of Teague's $6,082,692 cap hold, and the negligible amounts saved by trading the picks, not giving Johnson his $1,250,854 qualifying offer, and waiving Scott, are also not likely to happen. In a scenario where they are all retained, then, Atlanta's cap situation then looks like this:


Josh Smith: $16,500,000 (circa, cap hold)
Al Horford: $12,000,000
Jeff Teague: $6,082,692 (cap hold)
Lou Williams: $5,225,000
#17 pick): $1,348,200
#18 pick: $1,280,800
Ivan Johnson: $1,250,854 (cap hold & qualifying offer)
John Jenkins: $1,258,800
Mike Scott: $788,872
Jeremy Tyler: $100,000 (waived)
Roster charge (rookie minimum cap hold for not having 12 things on the cap, one for each number under - Tyler doesn't count): $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180


Total: $47,305,758 = $11,194,242 in cap room


Even this scenario assumes the renouncements of Korver and Pachulia, quality role players who won't be easily replaced. Yet such is the reality of the gamble of cap space. Atlanta can and likely will have eight figures worth of cap space, and they could have an awful lot more than that should Smith move on. But it's a choice.

(Note: "things on the cap" constitute players under contract, free agents not under contract who have cap holds, and the cap holds of unsigned first round picks. Unsigned second round picks do not have cap holds and thus do not count for anything, and nor do waived players.)


Dallas Mavericks


Committed salary for 2013/14: $42,994,093 (view full forecast)

Projected cap space: $13,615,538


The #13 pick has a cap hold of $1,655,300, but Dallas are reportedly trying to move it. The theory that it can be attached to Shawn Marion's final season (which he surely will not opt out of) seems fantastical; nevertheless, it seems Dallas is pretty intent on moving the pick. And even if they aren't, a clause in the 2011 CBA may save them. Teams with unsigned first round picks can, if all parties want, file documents with the league agreeing not to sign the player that season, which in return removes their cap hold for the year. (This rule was used by Dallas last year on Petteri Koponen, and was also used by Chicago on Nikola Mirotic.) So the #13 pick's cap hold is not included here.

O.J. Mayo is a logical certainty to opt out of his $4,200,900, which would thus turn into a $4,824,000 cap hold. The status of other cap holds is less certain; for the purposes of the above number, it is assumed that Chris Kaman ($9,600,000), Anthony Morrow ($7,600,000), Roddy Beaubois ($5,568,333), Elton Brand ($3,990,950) and Mike James ($884,293) are all renounced, while Koponen once again has his cap hold ($880,600) expunged. Brandan Wright ($884,293) surely won't be renounced, however, and while Darren Collison's cap hold of $5,798,360 is slightly in the way, it's not exhorbitant, so it is assumed it will only be renounced if needs be (i.e. if the signing of a big time free agent necessitates it). It is renounced in the below calculation as a means of assessing a realistic maximum cap space amount for the Mavs, yet that does not mean it surely will be.

Dallas also has two unguaranteed contracts; Josh Akognon ($788,872, fully unguaranteed until December 1st) and Bernard James ($788,872, fully unguaranteed until July 15th); for the purposes of this calculation, it is assumed that Akognon will be waived and James won't.

All this, then, leaves Dallas here:


Dirk Nowitzki: $22,721,381
Shawn Marion: $9,316,796
OJ Mayo: $4,824,000 (cap hold)
Vince Carter: $3,180,000
Jared Cunningham: $1,208,400
Brandan Wright: $884,293 (Cap hold)
Jae Crowder: $788,872
Bernard James: $788,872
Roster charge: $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180

Total = $44,884,462 = $13,615,538 in cap room


This is a very variable figure for all of the reasons mentioned above; Marion's to-be-adjusted contract, the status of the #13 , possible trades of Marion and/or Cunningham, etc. The status of Mayo is also fairly significant - the day he leaves to sign elsewhere will open up an extra $4,333,820 in cap room, or, if he stays, the day he re-signs will take up a big chunk of the $13.6 mil. Nevertheless, while Dallas doesn't have as much cap room to throw about as others, they're in the game.


EDIT: Come to think of it, O.J. Mayo's cap hold doesn't actually matter. As he's only played one season since changing teams as a free agent, he only has non-Bird rights, should he opt out. And yet if Dallas renounces him, he'd still only have non-Bird rights. Mayo's cap hold, then, can be discounted.



Houston Rockets


Committed salary for 2013/14: $54,951,158 (view full forecast)

Projected cap space: $16,181,453


Houston don't have as much cap space as you might expect, considering their high profile (and seemingly eternal) campaign for a superstar free agent. Nevertheless, their committed salary could drop down as low as $39,665,022 without making any trades. Francisco Garcia has a team option for $6.4 million that is not going to be exercised, and the Rockets also have a good many unguaranteed contracts, listed hereafter:

Carlos Delfino ($3,000,000, fully unguaranteed if waived on or before June 30th)
Aaron Brooks ($2,508,000, fully unguaranteed if waived on or before June 30th)
Chandler Parsons ($926,500, only $600,000 guaranteed if waived on or before June 30th)
Greg Smith ($884,293, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date)
James Anderson ($916,099, fully unguaranteed if waived on or before October 31st)
Patrick Beverley ($788,872, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date)
Tim Ohlbrect ($788,872, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date)


In theory, if Houston waived all of those players except Parsons (whose salary is actually cheaper when left unwaived than the $600,000 amount would be with a roster charge added), and declined Garcia's team option, that's a cap number of $41,625,742 with four roster charges added. In practice, though, they won't all be waived. Delfino and Brooks surely will, and Ohlbrecht likely will - however, Patrick Beverley and Greg Smith are really very good NBA players tied in to ridiculously cheap contracts. Even when assuming Anderson gets waived, the renouncement of Garcia (who, strangely, is their only free agent) and the incumbent cap hold for Earl Boykins ($884,293), that leaves Houston here:


James Harden: $13,668,750 (at the moment; as a designated maximum salary contract, it is to be adjusted when new max salaries are known post-moratorium)
Omer Asik: $8,374,646
Jeremy Lin: $8,374,646
Thomas Robinson: $3,526,440
Royce White: $1,719,480
Terrence Jones: $1,551,840
Donatas Motiejunas: $1,422,720
Chandler Parsons: $926,500
Greg Smith: $884,293
Patrick Beverley: $788,872
Tyler Honeycutt: $100,000 (waived)
Roster charge: $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180

Total = $42,318,547 = $16,181,453 in cap room.


It's not enough for a maximum contract for neither Dwight nor Chris Paul. It is close enough, however, to put them in play. And there's plenty of options here. If you were the Lakers, and Dwight wanted to walk to the Rockets (which may happen), why WOULDN'T you take back Thomas Robinson and Omer Asik in a sign-and-trade? And if you were the Rockets, why WOULDN'T you do that deal when doing so would offer up an extra $12 million to throw at someone else? Or do it the other way around - fill up the cap space with straight free agent signings, then sign and trade for the other guy. There are options here, many options, and the ultimate tinker Daryl Morey will know that. Houston's not got the Detroit-level swathes of cap room the prevailing story would have you believe, but they have enough, and they have the means to make things happen. So they're big players in the market.



Orlando Magic


Committed salary for 2013/14: $53,800,437 (view full forecast)

Projected cap space: None


Even though they somehow seem to have been the winners of the Dwight Howard trade - for which we are all repentant - Orlando nevertheless still didn't help their financial situation in the deal, and don't have nearly as much cap space as you'd want in such a rebuild. Nevertheless, some partially guaranteed deals will lessen the load a bit: Al Harrington's contract is only 50% guaranteed for each of the next two seasons, which would mean a cap hit of only $3,574,300 if waived, and Hedo Turkoglu's $12 million is only guaranteed for $6 million, an extremely generous concession he made when he was dealt from Toronto to Phoenix that he now probably strongly regrets. It is assumed that these two will be waived.

On a smaller scale, the minimum salary contracts of Kyle O'Quinn ($788,872, fully unguaranteed until opening night) and E'Twaun Moore ($884,293, fully unguaranteed until June 30th) can also be saved on, although this is considered unlikely and unnecessary. Similarly considered unlikely and unnecessary are Beno Udrih's cap hold ($11,058,300) and DeQuan Jones's qualifying offer ($988,872); both are assumed renounced, along with Jeremy Richardson ($884,293), and Fran Vasquez's continued cap hold is assumed to be expunged via the aforementioned method. A cap projection is arrived at thusly:


Jameer Nelson: $8,600,000
Arron Afflalo: $7,750,000
Glen Davis: $6,400,000
Hedo Turkoglu: $6,000,000 (waived)
#2 pick: $3,969,800
Al Harrington: $3,574,300 (waived)
Quentin Richardson: $2,808,600 (waived)
Mo Harkless: $1,809,840
Nikola Vucevic: $1,793,520
Tobias Harris: $1,545,840
Andrew Nicholson: $1,482,000
E'Twaun Moore: $884,293
Doron Lamb: $788,872
Kyle O'Quinn: $788,872
Roster charge: $490,180

Total = $48,686,117 = $9,813,883 in cap room...sort of.


A big factor here, however, is the Dwight Howard TPE. Its $17,816,880 in goodness is still on the cap until August 10th. To get at this cap room, it'd have to be used or forfeited.


Utah Jazz



Committed salary for 2013/14: $27,001,081 (view full forecast)

Projected cap space: $27,722,692
 
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Please note Hawks fans, the capologist at our message board has done the numbers. If CP3 and Dwight were to commit to playing for the Hawks.

Houston, Dallas, Utah, Philly, LAC, LAL, and Knick:dead:s fans. Feel free to post your cap numbers as well.

Al Horford ($12,000,000)

Lou Williams ($5,225,000)

John Jenkins ($1,258,800)

Draft pick #17 ($1,348,200, value for draft pick explained later)

Draft pick #18 ($1,280,800)

Tolly’s caphold ($884,293)

Incomplete roster charge (6x$490,180 = $3,431,260)

+ Mack's 884,293 and Scott's 788,872 - 980,360(2 players)= 692,805 +3,431,260

= 4,124,065





Al Horford ($12,000,000)

Lou Williams ($5,225,000)

John Jenkins ($1,258,800)

Draft pick #17 ($1,348,200, value for draft pick explained later)

Draft pick #18 ($1,280,800)

Tolly’s caphold ($884,293)

Mack 3rd year min salary($884,293)

Scott 788,872 salary

Incomplete roster charge (4x$490,180 = $1,960,720)

Total salary is 25,775,978

  1. We have two mid 2nd round picks which was 450k last year. That could be our 9th and 10th man and it could save us 100k combined.
  2. Incomplete roster charge is only valid without a player. If we sign Howard and CP3, they would be our 9th and 10th man with the picks they would be our 11th and 12th man.
  3. With the estimated cap at 58.5, we would have up to 32.8 in cap space.
  4. We do not have a MLE right now since we are under the cap floor but we would have one if we signed both CP3 and Dwight.
  5. It would be smart if Dwight and CP3 took less to play together. For starters, if they want Korver they would have to take 13.5 million(27 million) in their first year a piece. Korver can sign for 4 million and we could still use our MLE.
  6. Most likely, CP3 and Dwight will sign for 15 mil a piece(30 million) which covers most of our cap and allows us to sign the min level players and a MLE player.
  7. While Houston with some trades could offer Dwight the max and CP3's max. They really couldn't get both players neither can Dallas.
  8. Atlanta at the best will have to ask Dwight and CP3 to take 5 to 3 million dollars less than they can get in LA but give them 3-1 less than they can get elsewhere. Remember, Houston cannot offer Dwight close to what LA can due to the new CBA. Makes us a lot more competitive in this race.
  9. Basically, Atlanta can easily sign D12 and CP3 and the min level players. The issue is Atlanta has to find ways to not sign them and be capped out. They need to get them to take less and buy into team before players, wins before accolades.
  10. The most we can offer CP3 and Dwight combined is 16.4 million dollars a year with their list. Now of course mid 2nd rounders are cheaper than min FA's and we have the option to renounce Tolly's(possible), Scott(Extremely unlikely), and Mack(Not likely but possible) rights.
 

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a Laker/Rockets trade could be pretty intriguing :ehh:

It is possible, but it's not likely at all as the Lakers are over the cap to the point where they cannot do a SnT. We likely don't want to do a SnT with them. If we did, the most they would get is a TPE then again, I am not sure they will get that TPE anyway regardless of a SnT.

So to be honest, I do not see a scenario where Atlanta does a SnT with LA.

Houston would be the team who would like to do a SnT but what they would offer to LA isn't attractive as LA doesn't want to take salary past this upcoming season unless they offer Harden which is highly unlikely.
 

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It is possible, but it's not likely at all as the Lakers are over the cap to the point where they cannot do a SnT. We likely don't want to do a SnT with them. If we did, the most they would get is a TPE then again, I am not sure they will get that TPE anyway regardless of a SnT.

So to be honest, I do not see a scenario where Atlanta does a SnT with LA.

Houston would be the team who would like to do a SnT but what they would offer to LA isn't attractive as LA doesn't want to take salary past this upcoming season unless they offer Harden which is highly unlikely.

Yea, that's what I'm saying...Lakers trade Dwight to Houston, Houston trade Asik and ol' boy to the Lakers...
 

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Yea, that's what I'm saying...Lakers trade Dwight to Houston, Houston trade Asik and ol' boy to the Lakers...

LA isn't interested in taking back salary. Aisk isn't a player they would rate. As they would pay him 5.2 mil in 13/14 and then pay him 15 mil in 14/15. :snoop: For a player who his opponent outproduces more than him. He is really just a specialty player. Him at 7 mil is good, him at 21 mil and 15 mil in 14/15 is appalling. I have to give credit to Houston. They have severally overrated their players of late. Especially Aisk and Harden. True be told, many underrate Lin who is an average PG but if you look at places on Lin, they talk about him like he's Ty Lue. He is better than Ty Lue, I seen Lue and I seen Lin a lot.

Mitch has said numerous times, he does not want to take back salary past 2014. With Aisk contract, it hurts their max flexibility. Neither way, the Lakers have to get rid of MWP contract with the amnesty clause which they haven't came close to saying they want to use yet. Right now, it is too hard to gauge what LA wants to do outside of resign Howard since they are banking on the 2014 free agency. Maybe even tank is an option? Who knows.
 

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I want the Hawks to draft this guy....

 
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Please note Hawks fans, the capologist at our message board has done the numbers. If CP3 and Dwight were to commit to playing for the Hawks.

Houston, Dallas, Utah, Philly, LAC, LAL, and Knick:dead:s fans. Feel free to post your cap numbers as well.

Al Horford ($12,000,000)

Lou Williams ($5,225,000)

John Jenkins ($1,258,800)

Draft pick #17 ($1,348,200, value for draft pick explained later)

Draft pick #18 ($1,280,800)

Tolly’s caphold ($884,293)

Incomplete roster charge (6x$490,180 = $3,431,260)

+ Mack's 884,293 and Scott's 788,872 - 980,360(2 players)= 692,805 +3,431,260

= 4,124,065





Al Horford ($12,000,000)

Lou Williams ($5,225,000)

John Jenkins ($1,258,800)

Draft pick #17 ($1,348,200, value for draft pick explained later)

Draft pick #18 ($1,280,800)

Tolly’s caphold ($884,293)

Mack 3rd year min salary($884,293)

Scott 788,872 salary

Incomplete roster charge (4x$490,180 = $1,960,720)

Total salary is 25,775,978

  1. We have two mid 2nd round picks which was 450k last year. That could be our 9th and 10th man and it could save us 100k combined.
  2. Incomplete roster charge is only valid without a player. If we sign Howard and CP3, they would be our 9th and 10th man with the picks they would be our 11th and 12th man.
  3. With the estimated cap at 58.5, we would have up to 32.8 in cap space.
  4. We do not have a MLE right now since we are under the cap floor but we would have one if we signed both CP3 and Dwight.
  5. It would be smart if Dwight and CP3 took less to play together. For starters, if they want Korver they would have to take 13.5 million(27 million) in their first year a piece. Korver can sign for 4 million and we could still use our MLE.
  6. Most likely, CP3 and Dwight will sign for 15 mil a piece(30 million) which covers most of our cap and allows us to sign the min level players and a MLE player.
  7. While Houston with some trades could offer Dwight the max and CP3's max. They really couldn't get both players neither can Dallas.
  8. Atlanta at the best will have to ask Dwight and CP3 to take 5 to 3 million dollars less than they can get in LA but give them 3-1 less than they can get elsewhere. Remember, Houston cannot offer Dwight close to what LA can due to the new CBA. Makes us a lot more competitive in this race.
  9. Basically, Atlanta can easily sign D12 and CP3 and the min level players. The issue is Atlanta has to find ways to not sign them and be capped out. They need to get them to take less and buy into team before players, wins before accolades.
  10. The most we can offer CP3 and Dwight combined is 16.4 million dollars a year with their list. Now of course mid 2nd rounders are cheaper than min FA's and we have the option to renounce Tolly's(possible), Scott(Extremely unlikely), and Mack(Not likely but possible) rights.

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Detroit Pistons

Committed salary for 2013/14: $35,045,558 (view full forecast)

Projected cap space: $28,843,182


It took the lottery pick given up for Corey Maggette to do it, but Detroit finally has some cap flexibility. Charlie Villanueva has already opted into his $8,580,000 contract for next year, but Detroit still has the amnesty clause. They can use it on him, and they should. The big contracts of Jose Calderon, Maggette, a long-since-bought-out Rip Hamilton, Jason Maxiell and Will Bynum all expire, and Rodney Stuckey's contract is only guaranteed for $4 million of its $8.5 million total if waived on or before June 30th. And just to add a little more, Viacheslav Kravtsov ($1,500,000, only $500,000 guaranteed if waived on or before June 29th) and Kim English ($788,872, fully unguaranteed until July 12th) also have unguaranteed portions.

Encroaching back into all this cap room goodness is the #8 pick, which will take up $2,210,900. It is also hereby assumed that Stuckey will NOT be waived, if only for one reason - with all due respect given, it surely isn't likely that Detroit will be all that big of a free agency player, so the extra $4 million of cap room would if anything be overkill. (The same is also assumed to be true of Kravtsov and English.) Nevertheless, assuming renouncements for all of the above free agents are possible, as well as the outstanding cap holds on Ben Wallace ($4,268,160) and Vernon Macklin ($788,872), Detroit has themselves a ton to work with.

Rodney Stuckey: $8,500,000
Jonas Jerebko: $4,500,000
Greg Monroe: $4,086,454
Brandon Knight: $2,793,960
Andre Drummond: $2,462,400
#8 : $2,210,900 (cap hold)
Viacheslav Kravtsov: $1,500,000
Kyle Singler: $1,045,000
Kim English: $788,872
Khris Middleton: $788,872
Roster charge: $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180

Total = $29,656,818 = $28,843,182 in cap room.
 
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