Should college education and healthcare be a constitutional right?

[Lifer11]

see thats the thing though...people are getting educated, its just the cost people aren't liking

And people don't like being told what to do, so whereas there are tons of jobs, people are majoring in bullshyt regardless.

People definitely major in bullshyt, just to say they're in college. It's an issue that needs to be taken on from many different perspectives. We need to educate kids better in so many different areas before they even get in the position to start to make the decision where they want to go to college.

If we're not going to make a concerted effort to push reform in that area (and I know I didn't get into specifics but I'm a little pressed for time and I'm sure you can think of plenty of those areas on your own), then we need to really get back to focusing on manufacturing and building the middle class back up that way, and also I think we can (and we are) continue to push various tech/vocational schools that shorten and cheapen the process for people going into certain careers.

It's a long road to try and fix our education system, from the ground up, with so many different views and opinions, to be honest I'm more pessimistic than optimistic about the future of our country in this, and most areas in general, which is why I'll sometimes jump in to criticize so quick before giving it much critical thought, which I know isn't doing anything to help the problem, but at the least it helps me vent some frustration slightly.

 

[DEAD7]

Prosperity based rights?

 

[Richard Wright]

Just had another baby boomer lecture me about how college isn't a right after I said that college should be a right, he also explained to me how he paid for all his classes in advance and worked his way through community college to a 4 year anniversary, he conveniently ignored my question about how much tuition cost when he went to school

Heres the thing man. Its not a natural right. And thats a good thing. We have actually advanced as a society to not have to make everything about weeding people out and screwing them over. We can have a safety net that includes health, education, and even guaranteed income. Its amazing we have gotten to this point technologically.

If there were no black people here America would already have those things. But people would rather watch themselves struggle than ever allow something that benefits the strawman lazy blacks.

 

[tmonster]

Its not a natural right.

what's a natural right? and how is it different from any other right?

 

[Richard Wright]

what's a natural right? and how is it different from any other right?

You don't have the right to it just for being born. The only natural rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[CHL]

He sounds like the ideal, small minded, question nothing American citizen. I wonder what his idea of success even is.

Join the military as a means of gaining social mobility has to be the weakest fukking response these old heads can come up with. Yea put your life in danger for a corrupt government waging unjust wars in order to strong arm other countries for their resources so you can have them pay for your college. Something that costs a couple hundred dollars a semester in other countries, the generation before us expects us to either go into crippling debt to fight our way through, or literally risk our lives to get through without debt. It's incredibly man really. Sometimes I think we're being brought down by design, then other times I think it's just easier to accept that we're being brought down by design because the alternative is that we're just too stupid, willfully ignorant, lazy, and apathetic to do something about the collapse of our society.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I don't disagree the defense budget is too high, but you're never going to cut enough from defense to pay for free education and healthcare on a yearly basis. Never. So again, here is your early 20s idealism clashing with the realism of life.

What's the realistic solution to pay for what you're proposing?

And again, you didn't answer... are we paying for free Master's and PhD programs too? Free room and board? Free meals? Free books? How free is free?

the defense budget is 600 billion dog... Free education is going to cost about 50 billion dollars a year.. We can't cut 50 billion dollars from the defense budget? We can always find a way to fund these things if we really cared to. Why would a masters and PHD programs not be free? You act like there are going to be hundreds of millions of people making it into PHD programs just because it's free. I don't really mind colleges charging for out-of-state people staying in their student housing and food, but the book prices are fukking ridiculously inflated. Why are we going to continue raping our young population and sending them into crippling debt? Why does no one care about the negative effects of this like it won't effect our economy (IT ALREADY IS!!!) young people aren't buying houses and have no money in savings.

America can accomplish whatever it sets its mind to, except it's ruled by an oligarchy of career politicians influenced by special interests and the biggest voting population are 70 year old white people, who surprise surprise would never support "free" shyt for younger generations.

 

[Richard Wright]

the defense budget is 600 billion dog... Free education is going to cost about 50 billion dollars a year.. We can't cut 50 billion dollars from the defense budget? We can always find a way to fund these things if we really cared to. Why would a masters and PHD programs not be free? You act like there are going to be hundreds of millions of people making it into PHD programs just because it's free. I don't really mind colleges charging for out-of-state people staying in their student housing and food, but the book prices are fukking ridiculously inflated. Why are we going to continue raping our young population and sending them into crippling debt? Why does no one care about the negative effects of this like it won't effect our economy (IT ALREADY IS!!!) young people aren't buying houses and have no money in savings.

America can accomplish whatever it sets its mind to, except it's ruled by an oligarchy of career politicians influenced by special interests and the biggest voting population are 70 year old white people, who surprise surprise would never support "free" shyt for younger generations.

This is a myth. In the end we would make money.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

This is a myth. In the end we would make money.

good point, now everyone who would be paying 500$+ a month back in student loans are able to invest or spend their money back into the economy, as well as students having more spending money while they're in school. Not to mention the intrinsic benefits of having an EDUCATED population. If college was free I'd be in school working on a physics degree as much as I could, even though I already have a bachelors in accounting. We're the first generation having to go into insane debt to go to college, it's fukking incredibly hard to get the older generation to empathize with shyt they didn't even have to deal with. Paying 300$ for a book I use for one semester picture the older generation accepting that shyt back in their day. You'd be an "idealistic" 20 year old spouting free education if you had to get 30k in loans to afford school

 

[JahFocus CS]

There's a good chance I'll be taking my skills abroad in 2-3 years. Not trying to get milked any further in this country.

 

[Richard Wright]

good point, now everyone who would be paying 500$+ a month back in student loans are able to invest or spend their money back into the economy, as well as students having more spending money while they're in school. Not to mention the intrinsic benefits of having an EDUCATED population. If college was free I'd be in school working on a physics degree as much as I could, even though I already have a bachelors in accounting. We're the first generation having to go into insane debt to go to college, it's fukking incredibly hard to get the older generation to empathize with shyt they didn't even have to deal with. Paying 300$ for a book I use for one semester picture the older generation accepting that shyt back in their day. You'd be an "idealistic" 20 year old spouting free education if you had to get 30k in loans to afford school

I dont think the debt thing is as big of a problem as most college kids though, because the poor and disenfranchised dont even get the privilege of taking them out. I guess its two separate issues. Real hustlers make money in college, tbh I havent paid shyt.

This shyt is all a scam anyway. We live in an oligarchy hidden under the the elaborate hoax of a meritocracy.

 

[JahFocus CS]

good point, now everyone who would be paying 500$+ a month back in student loans are able to invest or spend their money back into the economy, as well as students having more spending money while they're in school. Not to mention the intrinsic benefits of having an EDUCATED population. If college was free I'd be in school working on a physics degree as much as I could, even though I already have a bachelors in accounting. We're the first generation having to go into insane debt to go to college, it's fukking incredibly hard to get the older generation to empathize with shyt they didn't even have to deal with. Paying 300$ for a book I use for one semester picture the older generation accepting that shyt back in their day. You'd be an "idealistic" 20 year old spouting free education if you had to get 30k in loans to afford school

It's annoying how they use "idealistic" in a disparaging, dismissive way as well.

I say these fukkbois should have their Social Security cut. The state is sticking me every paycheck for a system I'll likely never benefit from.

 

[tmonster]

You don't have the right to it just for being born. The only natural rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

come back to this tomorrow

 

[Richard Wright]

come back to this tomorrow

I got you , ill edit this

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I dont think the debt thing is as big of a problem as most college kids though, because the poor and disenfranchised dont even get the privilege of taking them out. I guess its two separate issues. Real hustlers make money in college, tbh I havent paid shyt.

This shyt is all a scam anyway. We live in an oligarchy hidden under the the elaborate hoax of a meritocracy.

How is debt not as big as a problem as college kids think?

How The $1.2 Trillion College Debt Crisis Is Crippling Students, Parents And The Economy

1.2$ trillion in student debt, that makes up 6% of our fukking total national debt

and I'm not a real hustler.