So Did Last Night Prove Stephen Curry Took Lebron James Crown?

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're the one who keeps using +- stats like its gospel

You are so biased you don't even see through your stupidity

At this point, you don't even know what you're saying. Just stop. And carry on with whatever the fukk it is you're doing in here.

 

[Draje]

I'm talking effect on the game in the most critical moments which decide the series or the out come of individual games. Certain players step up when it's most needed.

Stats don't show this.

Meanwhile other players are great throughout but don't necessarily have as much of an impact when it matters most.

If you look at previous finals MVP players who have had a bigger impact without the best stats have won over the "star" player

How do you explain Andre Igoadola winning 2 years ago?

So who was more critical to the success of the Cavs?

You feel that Kyrie's overall impact on that series was larger than Lebron's?

 

[Draje]

LeBron stans on their box score shyt is an ugly site.

You arguing that Kyrie had a bigger impact than Lebron too?

 

[Fenian]

And you're still stuck on stupid that you think the game is played and won through the box score.

Surely to fukk you don't really think kyrie deserved finals MVP over Bron.

You just in here to get a reaction from Bron stans?

 

[Randoug]

At this point, you don't even know what you're saying. Just stop. And carry on with whatever the fukk it is you're doing in here.

My original post I said Bron was the engine of the team's success both offensively and defensively. Then you claim I'm focused on box scores ..LeBron led both teams in all stats both defensively and offensively, yet you pretend like Kyrie was the reason why Cavs won.

You keep faking like you a Kyrie fan to shyt on Bron's impact and think people don't see through you intentions. But whatever guy

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You arguing that Kyrie had a bigger impact than Lebron too?

Surely to fukk you don't really think kyrie deserved finals MVP over Bron.

You just in here to get a reaction from Bron stans?

Kyrie didn't have a bigger impact in terms of the totality of the series, but he did have more impact in the moments that were most critical. I don't particularly agree with @DoubleClutch often, or agree with all that he's saying in this thread, but his take of what happened in the Finals is a lot closer to the truth than any of this box score manipulation that's going on in here. He said something very important which 98% of this board overlooks far too often - "I'm talking effect on the game in the most critical moments which decide the series or the out come of individual games. Certain players step up when it's most needed."

And can we PLEASE stop talking about LeBron's and Kyrie's defense in the Finals as if they were at either end of the spectrum - Kyrie did a stellar job of defending Curry; running around screens, reading when to rotate and just showing effort to stay in front of his man. Folk forget that defending at the PG position is probably the most strenuous job on the defensive end. Whereas yes, LeBron had his "highlight" defensive plays and did play an integral part as a help defender (T.Thompson was probably the most impactful defender for the Cavs), but for a large part of that series he wasn't even guarding anyone - he'd leave players like Barnes and Iggy open. Which was part scheme, and part the fact that he was conserving energy due to averaging 42 mins and being the primary ball-handler.

A lot of folk overrate the shyt out of his Finals performance on the simple basis of being down 1-3 against a 73-win team; propping it up with highlight plays.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

My original post I said Bron was the engine of the team's success both offensively and defensively. Then you claim I'm focused on box scores ..LeBron led both teams in all stats both defensively and offensively, yet you pretend like Kyrie was the reason why Cavs won.

Why quote my post originally if you weren't telling on yourself? If you aren't focused on box scores (this is a lie because I've seen you post/co-sign BS shyt before), than there was no reason to quote my post. Which is kind of funny saying you don't focus on them when in the next sentence you state - "LeBron led both teams in all stats both defensively and offensively". What's that, if it isn't focusing on the box score? And you have the nerve to call me a hypocrite. Hilarious.

My original post I said Bron was the engine of the team's success both offensively and defensively. Then you claim I'm focused on box scores ..LeBron led both teams in all stats both defensively and offensively, yet you pretend like Kyrie was the reason why Cavs won.

You keep faking like you a Kyrie fan to shyt on Bron's impact and think people don't see through you intentions. But whatever guy

I'm not shytting on his impact, I'm just putting in its proper light. Light that isn't powered by the box score.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Kyrie didn't have a bigger impact in terms of the totality of the series, but he did have more impact in the moments that were most critical. I don't particularly agree with @DoubleClutch often, or agree with all that he's saying in this thread, but his take of what happened in the Finals is a lot closer to the truth than any of this box score manipulation that's going on in here. He said something very important which 98% of this board overlooks far too often - "I'm talking effect on the game in the most critical moments which decide the series or the out come of individual games. Certain players step up when it's most needed."

And can we PLEASE stop talking about LeBron's and Kyrie's defense in the Finals as if they were at either end of the spectrum - Kyrie did a stellar job of defending Curry; running around screens, reading when to rotate and just showing effort to stay in front of his man. Folk forget that defending at the PG position is probably the most strenuous job on the defensive end. Whereas yes, LeBron had his "highlight" defensive plays and did play an integral part as a help defender (T.Thompson was probably the most impactful defender for the Cavs), but for a large part of that series he wasn't even guarding anyone - he'd leave players like Barnes and Iggy open. Which was part scheme, and part the fact that he was conserving energy due to averaging 42 mins and being the primary ball-handler.

A lot of folk overrate the shyt out of his Finals performance on the simple basis of being down 1-3 against a 73-win team; propping it up with highlight plays.

If they don't understand it now they never will. Or they just won't admit I'm right.

The funny thing is I'm not even trying to hate on Lebron or instigating like I sometimes do

I just remember watching the series and thinking kyrie is the MVP.

Later I went back through the entire series game by game for a mix I was making and I kept having to edit out Kyries plays cause he literally did so much.

Kyrie went off and made some crazy amazing clutch shots in pretty much every game when the cavs need it

The only game the cavs won where Lebron was CLEARY dominant from start to finish and did more than kyrie on the offensive end was game 6.

I think the MVP could've gone either way, kyrie or Lebron

 

[beeez90]

bump and I keep getting negged repped in May because of this post a year ago.