So If Martin Luther Reformed Christianity....Then Err rRah

[newworldafro]

....................????

Wahhabism is a strand of Islam...it took it one direction..
.Arguably reformed the religion....the British linked up with these ruling nomads and created Saudi Arabia....so since the idea is to create/expand a caliphate in every geography. Even in places that have no interest in being under sharia law....in a diverse world is it time for some Martim Luthers to say chill brehkis


no infidel






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Oh yeah.....we know The Ice Is Boys and the Al Decatur Boys have been revved up like a Camaro in park and accelerator pushed to like 150 mph......with financing, equipment, logistics, and propaganda ..... so basically you dealing with zealots who have instigators on the sidelines pushing the extreme versions of Wahhabism to the easily influenced...causing havoc

So reform....yay or nay???

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Be puffing or be passing breh

 

[newworldafro]

Be puffing or be passing breh

I mean Iran as a Shiite majority country, but other religions living comfortably is not under Wahhabism...Sufis with the swirling dancing jokers are not under Wahhabism......it is a strand like Baptist or Evangelicals, etc...

Iraq under Saddam held together different religions and sects.......the Chaldean Christians were chilling as far as I know.

Syria held together different religions, the Druze, Jews, Christians were not being attacked ...the unique ethnic groups were not being chased out of their villages and raped before the Ice Is Boys aka moderates ...showed up

Libya was chilling....multiple tribes held together, everybody off the oil wealth....stable progressibe country with massive infrastructure projects......but guess who shows up to crash the party...and now the country is in disarray....

I"m just saying, ain't it interesting how the diverse stable Middle Eastern countries get sacked, while less diverse (Saudi Arabia no churches are allowed) never seem to have those kind of issues...is that a reformation issue or just General Wesley manifesting his experience



or maybe both

 

[Shogun]

Luthers reforms didn't bring peace, if thats what youre getting at.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I mean Iran as a Shiite majority country is not under Wahhabism...Sufis with the swirling are not undet Wahhabism......it is a strand like Baptist or Evagelicals, etc...

Iraq under Saddam held together different religions and sects.....tsects.....the Chaldean Christians were chilling as far as I know.

Syria held together different religions, the Druze, Jews, were not being attacked ...the unique ethnic groups were not being chased out og their villages and raped before the Ice Is Boys aka moderates ...showed up

Libya was chilling....multiple tribes held together, everybody off the oil wealth....stable progressibe country with massive infrastructure projects......but guess who shows up to crash thr party...and now the country is in disarray....

I"m just saying

I get what you're saying now

But isn't Wahhabi Islam the more extremist kind? Those more willing to wage literal Jihad against anyone or anything perceived as a threat to Islam?

Also weren't many of those countries dictatorships? I also believe that line about religious tolerance in muslim countries to be BS...people were not living in religious harmony and singing kumbaya under Saddam Hussein.

 

[Menelik II]

wahabism WAS the reformation though.

 

[newworldafro]

I get what you're saying now

But isn't Wahhabi Islam the more extremist kind? Those more willing to wage literal Jihad against anyone or anything perceived as a threat to Islam?

Also weren't many of those countries dictatorships? I also believe that line about religious tolerance in muslim countries to be BS...people were not living in religious harmony and singing kumbaya under Saddam Hussein.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying is that the extremist strand of Islam is infiltrating and is being..*cough, cough*......guided to be more extremist....

Can one of the geo-political savvy brehs , provide a 3rd opinion on the bolded orange, because I'm almost certain, although these were undeniably dictatorships...they were stable and relatively secular and compared to the carnage and chaos now. I know Saddam had some beef with the Kurds, but for the most part, the minority groups were protected.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying is that the extremist strand of Islam is infiltrating and is being..*cough, cough*......guided to be more extremist....

Can one of the geo-political savvy brehs , provide a 3rd opinion on the bolded orange, because I'm almost certain, although these were undeniably dictatorships...dictatorships...they were stable and relatively secular versus the carnage and chaos...I know Saddam had some beef with the Kurds, but for the most part, the minority groups were protected.

@FAH1223

 

[newworldafro]

Luthers reforms didn't bring peace, if thats what youre getting at.

Fair statement......it was extremely bloody....why so many came to the United States colonies...

More so I was suggesting interpretation......the Catholics had indulgences and Protestants said nah, yall are interpreting this wrong...I mean I already provided examples where Muslim dictators led very much secular and progressive and stable countries ....INTERPRETATION.....so I guess will there be reformers that say the extremist strand is not what they want moving forward, especially in more diverse societies?

 

[dennis roadman]

Fair statement......it was extremely bloody....why so many came to the United States colonies...

bruh...columbus landed in 1492, luther's church reforms STARTED 25 years later

it didn't drive anyone across the atlantic, what are you talking about

i appreciate your thirst for knowledge, but all you've done in this thread is prove you have no idea of european or near eastern history. i think you jumped the gun on discussing this

 

[newworldafro]

bruh...columbus landed in 1492, luther's church reforms STARTED 25 years later

it didn't drive anyone across the atlantic, what are you talking about

i appreciate your thirst for knowledge, but all you've done in this thread is prove you have no idea of european or near eastern history. i think you jumped the gun on discussing this

I think you are getting your history discombobulated and not understanding what I said.

I did not say that is the only reason Europeans came to the United States colonies...I said the fighting between Protestants and Catholics in Europe is what drove so many Protestants especially to the US colonies....I ain't say a damn anything about Columbus...

Destination America . Freedom to Worship | PBS

 

[FAH1223]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying is that the extremist strand of Islam is infiltrating and is being..*cough, cough*......guided to be more extremist....

Can one of the geo-political savvy brehs , provide a 3rd opinion on the bolded orange, because I'm almost certain, although these were undeniably dictatorships...they were stable and relatively secular and compared to the carnage and chaos now. I know Saddam had some beef with the Kurds, but for the most part, the minority groups were protected.

Saddam was a brutal dictator and you can find Iraqis who are Kurds and Shia talk about his regime targetting them or their families.. you also have many former Baathists who became part of the Al Qaeda in Iraq > ISIS groups..

Iraq did have more Christians and some Jews during Saddam's time. Yes, there was universal health and education programs. And Iraq had a lot of scientists who could develop a nuclear program and challenge Israel's supremacy in the region.

But Saddam was a leader with bad instincts...

 

[newworldafro]

Saddam was a brutal dictator and you can find Iraqis who are Kurds and Shia talk about his regime targetting them or their families.. you also have many former Baathists who became part of the Al Qaeda in Iraq > ISIS groups..

Iraq did have more Christians and some Jews during Saddam's time. Yes, there was universal health and education programs. And Iraq had a lot of scientists who could develop a nuclear program and challenge Israel's supremacy in the region.

But Saddam was a leader with bad instincts...

Ok....were/are the following not relatively safe places for minorities?

Iran?

Syria?

Libya?

 

[FAH1223]

Ok....were/are the following not relatively safe places were minorities?

Iran?

Syria?

Libya?

Of course more safe without the destruction of a state.

 

[newworldafro]

Of course more safe without the destruction of a state.

Correct. That's the ultimate point of the thread is that there is this extremist strand getting all the spotlight, as they go on rampages against those not "in line"....whereas the countries that are multicultural are being destroyed by this strand of Islam. They attacking Coptic Christian churches in Egypt...like why???

Notice...I'm not practicing Islamaphobia, but I am distinguishing the extremists from the moderates (not Syrian moderates ) and secular Muslims...