Soul Food Junkies (PBS)

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Saw this a while back

On the one hand it had some interesting historical bits, like about how black people had to deal with racism in road trips; On the other hand I feel docs like this are just stating the obvious to the point of being condescending ... Cause I really had no idea eating behemoth portions of fried food til you get obese was bad for you :beli:
 

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Saw this a while back

On the one hand it had some interesting historical bits, like about how black people had to deal with racism in road trips; On the other hand I feel docs like this are just stating the obvious to the point of being condescending ... Cause I really had no idea eating behemoth portions of fried food til you get obese was bad for you

We pick up most of our habits and ways of doing things from the people who raised us. You' be surprised how many people don't see anything wrong with their eating habits until they develop illnesses.

If it were as obvious to others as it is to you, we wouldn't still be dropping dead from these illnesses at such a rate in 2017.
 

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To those who have seen it. What's your take on the term "food desert"?

This was perhaps the only beef with the film. They used that term that had been used and promoted in academic circles in the doc.. I get it, but I didn't like the way they glossed over the reality of that situation. Stores sell what people in vicinity consume....and have conditions that their customers tolerate. The use of the term implies that there aren't adults in those areas making conscious decisions as customers.

I'm West Indian, and I used to be disgusted at the markets that my family members would shop at. "Extra"? "Western Beef"? YUCK!!!!!!!! I wouldn't even trust buying canned goods from those places , they were so damned dirty. Caribbean people CONTINUED to shop there though, I guess it reminded them of markets back home.dirty and cramped.

Anyway, the "food desert" term felt patronizing to me..
why? food deserts are real. maybe because you're in the northeast and things are more cramped, you also have small bodegas and stores that sell produce, but in other states where people drive more, that are more dependent on the traditional larger grocery store, there are definitely food (and banking) deserts. you can have a conversation with people from lower economic rungs and many have rarely ventured outside their neighborhood, i mean there are kids in southside chicago who have never been to miracle mile or the sears tower - just 15-25 minutes from their house. when you don't locate grocery stores in these areas, people end up at corner stores where they mostly sell packaged, processed foods, there may be a butcher or meat counter selling low grade meats and the fresh produce is usually not very good quality and it costs more due to being sold from small independent shops vs a grocery store that has the scale to make it affordable. people don't want to (and shouldn't have to) drive/take a bus 2 miles to a store, especially if it's in an :mjpls: area where you don't even feel like you belong.

it takes a combination of education and access to change poor eating habits, food deserts exacerbate the problem because even with knowledge, if it's not accessible (and affordable) people are unlikely to change.
 
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why? food deserts are real. maybe because you're in the northeast and things are more cramped, you also have small bodegas and stores that sell produce, but in other states where people drive more, that are more dependent on the traditional larger grocery store, there are definitely food (and banking) deserts. you can have a conversation with people from lower economic rungs and many have rarely ventured outside their neighborhood, i mean there are kids in southside chicago who have never been to miracle mile or the sears tower - just 15-25 minutes from their house. when you don't locate grocery stores in these areas, people end up at corner stores where they mostly sell packaged, processed foods, there may be a butcher or meat counter selling low grade meats and the fresh produce is usually not very good quality and it costs more due to being sold from small independent shops vs a grocery store that has the scale to make it affordable. people don't want to (and shouldn't have to) drive/take a bus 2 miles to a store, especially if it's in an :mjpls: area where you don't even feel like you belong.

it takes a combination of education and access to change poor eating habits, food deserts exacerbate the problem because even with knowledge, if it's not accessible (and affordable) people are unlikely to change.
this is a good post. I agree with a lot of it.

I just think that a lot of people(of various backgrounds but especially poor people) have terrible eating habits that they picked up from family. Things that are going to be near impossible to unlearn.

There was a controversy a few years back, and I don't believe it was limited to the Northeast about whether people on public assistance should/could purchase soda with their stamps/cards. There was a lot of studies released....and they are consistent with what I saw growing up where I grew up about the amount of soda/soft drinks/powdered drinks that poorer people drink versus bottled water......even when the water is cheaper. Even when a water filter would make the water even cheaper per gallon.
 

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Woman shocked after finding expired food at Bronx supermarket
Posted 9:41 PM, December 6, 2017, by Arnold Diaz, Updated at 09:46PM, December 6, 2017



THE BRONX — Moon Li is a label reader. It’s a good thing she is. What she found on the product labels at the Food Fair supermarket in the Bronx upset her.

“I saw expired food,” Li said.

She found a number of food items for sale long after the sell-by dates on the labels. She bought some of the products as proof of the problem and emailed What a Shame at PIX11 News. After we interviewed Li, we also went shopping at Food Fair and had no trouble finding expired items for sale.

For instance, the Pillsbury cookie dough was still in the refrigerated case on Nov. 13, four months after the July 1st use-by date on the package. The product contains raw eggs. Pillsbury the dough is safe to use for up to two weeks after the package date, but not four months.

We found many packages of Pillar Rock pink salmon in a pouch with a use-by date of November 4, 2016.

The company says the salmon is safe to eat for up to a month after the sell-by date, but if it’s a year old, a spokesman says it should be thrown out.

Even the Chobani Yogurt, which was five days past the use-by date, could be problem. Chobani says because there are no preservatives in the yogurt, the product should not be eaten after the date on the container.

Li also found packages of cut up cantaloupe that had double labels. The top label had a November 21 date. But when she peeled it off, underneath was a label dated November 11.

We went with Li to speak with the Food Fair manager named Marvin. He wouldn’t tell us his last name. He had no explanation for why the expired products were on the shelves, but said he’d take of it. He later told me that after we left, he had his employees check every item in the store and says the problem has been resolved.

He also gave Li a refund. But Li says she’s more concerned about the larger problem. She lives in the Castle Hill section of the Bronx and says there are only a couple of supermarkets that the mostly Hispanic residents can walk to. That lack of competition, she says, can lead to poor conditions in the stores and to consumers who don’t speak up.

“No one really complains." Li said. “It’s almost like an accepted lower standard. I’m not going to accept it because I live here and it’s not fair.”

New York City’s Economic Development Corporation has a program called Fresh that provides tax incentives for supermarket chains to open stores in areas that lack access to fresh food. An EDC spokesperson says a new Shop Rite supermarket is scheduled to open in Castle Hill the next 18 months.

Li says there should be more inspections of the supermarkets in her area. But the New York State Department of Agriculture and Markets says there are no laws prohibiting the sale of food products after the sell-by and use-by dates on the labels, except for baby formula. It’s up to shoppers to check those dates.
 
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I've seen a lot of parents who are reluctant to give their children healthy food, black and white. On Jamie Oliver's Food revolution, the town officials told him they didn't have the budget to keep buying fresh chicken and vegetables etc, and the lunch workers hated all the extra work to follow recipes in order to cook. They also had to bring the workers in earlier, which adds more time to their payroll. The parents did not want higher taxes for healthy school lunch.

The kids in elementary didn't even know how to use forks, because they are used to eating finger foods, and not good finger foods like carrots, celery, and apple slices. Parents tend to give "kiddie food", then build bad eating habits.

It's getting worse, because kids are glued to the tv, and tablets, and not being active. School gym class is a joke, because it's just playing. If they did a fitness regimen at least 2 days a week, kindergarten thru grade 12, that would give them a better chance to develop better habits, and release endorphins.
 
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