Standing of the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan in the black community

[outordinary]

I've been listening and reading up on the NOI and its beliefs/values. In all honesty, it seems to me like it is the most viable solution as far as saving our race.

Looking at it as a way of life instead of religion, it means everything well for the black community. It wants us to eat good and healthy, continue to make black businesses so that we have something to call our own, treat ourselves as men and women better overall, have unity for everyone black and not back down on loving our own.

They have study groups all over the US, some in Canada and the UK. I listen to some videos on youtube from the study group in London and some from a young brother in Texas.

I want to hear how the root feels about them. Will also post some channels that I frequent. Might make an official thread about this.

London Study Group

Brother Ben X

respectforlifefilms

The Final Call - Uncompromised News & Perspectives
(Farrakhan's latest keynote address on here)

"Yeah but what is the Nation of Islam doing?"

Promoting black business and selling with their own, allowing our 1.1 trillion to stay in our community. Got a video from the largest person to person selling of products Ive ever seen:




Making schools that teach our children from Pre-k to 12th about our TRUE history, not that white owned school shyt about our only history being slavery.

mui2015
https://www.muichicago.org/
http://www.muidetroit.org/

– Mohammed Schools of Atlanta

(there are two more, one in D.C and one in Cali, can't find the pages but you understand)


Encouraging folks to pool together money to get farmland, get this, the Nation wants YOU to own YOUR farmland. The nation has some of its own, but we should be the ones getting farmland of our own too.

 

[MJ Truth]

Black people, unfortunately, let Jewish media and white society in general tell them how they should feel about their own people. That's why Farrakhan and the NOI don't get the level of respect in the general community that they should.

Say what you want about them, but you don't see Nation of Islam members running around out here whining about the injustices of society and begging for white people to fix it for them, begging white people to give them jobs, getting upset because they don't feel white people are treating them right.

Leaving the religious stuff out of it, which seems to turn people off in this country if it isn't Christianity, if you just were to follow what the Nation of Islam does, on an individual micro level for your personal life, I guarantee your life would improve significantly.

 

[Fandroid]

Yeah the NOI is probably the closest to a tangible organization that has been continously striving for black liberation, and they ironically work in a manner that America believe black folks should put themsleves in on an ideal level. (self-determination, economic stability, hard values, etc).

 

[outordinary]

Exactly, I've only just started following them very closely and from what I see, they are the largest organization trying to do right for black people without the help of white people.

At the moment, they have farmland in which they provide healthy food to us (I buy some of the food in bulk like navy beans, flour etc.), expos in which they allow us to come together and buy from our own and study groups where we can learn from each other. There is much more that they do, but it is really too long to list.

Right now Saviors day 2017 is going on in Detroit; If I were in the states, I would have made arrangements to fly over there. You got brothers and sisters greeting each other in peace, there is no hate passing around there. Women are covered up, men are looking fresh and everyone is able to market their products with each other. You even have CHILDREN selling products and helping one another. Just from watching the NOI move, I can't badmouth them.

I'll post the video I watched earlier, its amazing to me.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I just can't get jiggly with Islam.

Christianity is kinda lame too but I grew up in it so I just rock with it.

I agree that the NOI is active. We probably need a secular organization that can be one umbrella for the Moorish Science cats, Hebrews, Muslims, Christians, Vodun, and everything. That way religion won't stand in the way.

 

[outordinary]

I just can't get jiggly with Islam.

Christianity is kinda lame too but I grew up in it so I just rock with it.

I agree that the NOI is active. We probably need a secular organization that can be one umbrella for the Moorish Science cats, Hebrews, Muslims, Christians, Vodun, and everything. That way religion won't stand in the way.

Is it because you look at Islam as an "arab" thing? The nation teaches that it was black peoples religion before arabs were here. They also are friendly with Christians, hebrews, moorish science. Saviors day in detroit just 3 days ago had people from all of those religions there repping them. NOI doesn't deal with religion, they deal with faith, so if you believe in god then you are friends with them.

I grew up with christianity, never really got anything from it while growing up. Now I'm going to stick with the nation, I just can't help but notice how well the people that come out after following them are.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Isn't he a Scientologist now?

 

[satam55]

Isn't he a Scientologist now?

Did you not see the previous post from @outordinary ?

 

[Piff Perkins]

Did you not see the previous post from @outordinary ?

no

just did and I don't see any mention of auditing or scientology.

Personally I can't dap a man who was involved in Malcolm X's death, and I'm not a fan of their views on Jews, homosexuality, sexism/gender, etc. I like some things about them like self reliance and community safety.

 

[Free White & 21]

The NOI represents the strongest, most organized, and longest lasting group advocating for black empowerment.

In fact, black americans decision to NOT follow Elijah's teachings will go down as one of the biggest missteps of african american history

What's their standing in the black community? Check the standing of the black community and you tell me

 

[David_TheMan]

NoI was comprimised Farrakhan is a fraud and he solidified he was a fraud and compromised when he kicked out Khalid Muhhammod.
Also NoI was infiltrated and destablized internally at the worst time possible, that and kicking out Malcolm X destroyed the organization's potential to exert influence.

 

[outordinary]

no

just did and I don't see any mention of auditing or scientology.

Personally I can't dap a man who was involved in Malcolm X's death, and I'm not a fan of their views on Jews, homosexuality, sexism/gender, etc. I like some things about them like self reliance and community safety.

I do sincerely hope you will listen to the answer I give you. Louis Farrakhan is not a scientologist, one of the things that scientologists practice is Dianetics. Its a type of pseudoscience that can heal the reactive mind.

Have you ever known someone personally that get triggered by certain sounds, words, or actions due to a tragic experience in their past? Its because the tragedy they had is not imprinted on their mind, so whatever they hear/do that takes them back to that experience causes a reaction. I know a lot of our people have had traumatic experiences that have imprinted on them and they need help from anything to forget those experiences so they can better themselves.

Farrakhan, being an easygoing person, speaks to many other religious people; He does not discriminate, even if I don't name the groups, trust me he probably spoke to them once. When he heard about dianetics being able to heal the mind, he just said that would be good for helping our own . Yet here come the white supremacist system media coming to say "NAW nikkaS, HE SAID HE LIKED SOMETHING FROM SCIENTOLOGY, HE MUST BE A SCIENTOLOGIST!" and some of yall nikkas took the bait. Remember, lies go farther than the truth in the media. Unless you are trolling, that should explain that.

Now let me explain the nation and malcolm x. When the media today says they killed him, they do the exact same shyt they always do which is lie to get more smear out of it. The FBI killed him and used some black people to do it. You can become a member of the NOI without being high in the group. E.G I could "join" and not believe anything they believe in. I could just say "Oh yes praise allah! Im joining right now!" but still not believe shyt. Then the FBI offers me and two others some money to kill someone then promise me I'll get off with no charges.

Money speaks hard to people who are broke, so I agree. BAM now the media can say "AWW MAN LOOK, THE NATION KILLED HIM!" even if its just a few of many brothers in the black community who need money.

Their views on what you mentioned aren't hateful. They like good jews and not evil jews just as you would like good people and dislike bad people. They, like most Bible/Quran following people, aren't fans of homosexuality since it is a sin in the scriptures, but they aren't hating anybody that is LGBT. I have NEVER heard them discriminate against gender, there are many videos with them promoting women and men standing side by side in everything. shyt in the arab culture version of islam, that is where they have problems with sexism. With the NOI though, they sometimes push the female as more important than the man.

Whew, I really do hope you listen and aren't just trolling.

NoI was comprimised Farrakhan is a fraud and he solidified he was a fraud and compromised when he kicked out Khalid Muhhammod.
Also NoI was infiltrated and destablized internally at the worst time possible, that and kicking out Malcolm X destroyed the organization's potential to exert influence.

People calling you a cac in your rep you sound like you are just spouting media nonsense but i'll bite.

NOI is far from compromised, I can tell from the members I watch that are in it, they are still looking strong, healthy, clean of mind etc. I've watched khalid muhammad, his lectures weren't as great as other prominent NOI members. His were more full of strong hate, a bit too strong. Apparently in 1993, his speeches were getting more hate filled and some erupted into violence, something that the NOI never does because they are about peace.

I'm guessing that him having hate fired speeches that had potential to erupt into violence, which would be VERY bad for the nation as the media would LOVE to hear that a speech from an NOI member erupted into violence, oh yes they would be like "SHUT EM DOWN, SEND IN THE FEDS, HAHA NOW NOBODY CAN SAVE THE BLACK MAN!" because of that possibility, they silenced him as a minister and he LEFT the NOI, not kicked out he simply left because he couldn't take being silenced. I'm in the military right now, if I go out to some rally and speak with my uniform on, the military will kick my ass out. NOI is more understanding so they didn't kick him out, he LEFT. Malcom was feeding the media beast too, he was temporarily silenced and couldn't take the silence so he LEFT. Big difference between being "kicked out" and simply leaving. The Air force can kick you out, the NOI is an organization where its members are brothers and sisters, they don't kick each other out.

Likewise, I hope you aren't a cac coming here just to troll. I know the root is getting bad with cacs trolling all over.

 

[outordinary]

I don't even know why some of you even entertain the media's thoughts about the NOI and it's inner workings/members. You know the media is white owned and whites can't join the nation.

How can you even think they are the better source for info when they obviously hate any group that's truly trying to get blacks to do for self and improve their standing. They will do whatever to divide you from whoever is trying their hardest to save you.

I trust them because the members are real with what they speak and they love and respect god and their fellow man. I'll always trust a black owned group that's trying to do well for us than white owned media. Gotta get out of that "oh I need massa to validate things" mindset.

 

[David_TheMan]

People calling you a cac in your rep you sound like you are just spouting media nonsense but i'll bite.

NOI is far from compromised, I can tell from the members I watch that are in it, they are still looking strong, healthy, clean of mind etc. I've watched khalid muhammad, his lectures weren't as great as other prominent NOI members. His were more full of strong hate, a bit too strong. Apparently in 1993, his speeches were getting more hate filled and some erupted into violence, something that the NOI never does because they are about peace.

I'm guessing that him having hate fired speeches that had potential to erupt into violence, which would be VERY bad for the nation as the media would LOVE to hear that a speech from an NOI member erupted into violence, oh yes they would be like "SHUT EM DOWN, SEND IN THE FEDS, HAHA NOW NOBODY CAN SAVE THE BLACK MAN!" because of that possibility, they silenced him as a minister and he LEFT the NOI, not kicked out he simply left because he couldn't take being silenced. I'm in the military right now, if I go out to some rally and speak with my uniform on, the military will kick my ass out. NOI is more understanding so they didn't kick him out, he LEFT. Malcom was feeding the media beast too, he was temporarily silenced and couldn't take the silence so he LEFT. Big difference between being "kicked out" and simply leaving. The Air force can kick you out, the NOI is an organization where its members are brothers and sisters, they don't kick each other out.

Likewise, I hope you aren't a cac coming here just to troll. I know the root is getting bad with cacs trolling all over.

People can call me whatever they like, its reason that I'm interested in, not back patting.

NoI was compromised. We know this because we have FBI documentation that they had agent provocateurs in the organization and those agents are what provoked internal conflict between Farrakhan and Malcolm X, which we can say eventually lead to Malcolm's death.

So on that alone if you are saying they weren't compromised, I would suggest you do some research on the FBI's tactics against them and be aware that even the NoI documents on their site how they were compromised.

Khalid Muhammad was getting national attention and like with Malcolm it seems Farrakhan doesn't want or like others outshining him and he removed him. He was not inciting violence by the way, it was whites acting against him. I believe they had a rally in NYC and white folks starts acting violence and even the NYPD admitted tit was not because of the actions of Khalid and the black muslims that violence broke out.

Malcolm was kicked out and threatened with death and harrased by the NoI. He wasn't feeding anything, he was the NoI director of communication, it was his job to be the voice of the nation to the media. That said again internal strife was generated by the FBI and Farrakhan and others played into their hands.

You can ask a question if you want to know my race you don't have to assume, beat around the bush. If you really were interested you could even do a search with my username and you could find me showing a picture of my hand and confirming my race with another user.

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That said can you explain to me why Farrakhan has dianetic auditors in the NoI, dianetics itself is a pseudo-science used primarily by the scientology cult to fool people into shelling out money?

 

[motion order]

NoI was compromised. We know this because we have FBI documentation that they had agent provocateurs in the organization and those agents are what provoked internal conflict between Farrakhan and Malcolm X, which we can say eventually lead to Malcolm's death.

The FBI was trying to, and successfully drove a wedge between Malcolm and Elijah.

So on that alone if you are saying they weren't compromised, I would suggest you do some research on the FBI's tactics against them and be aware that even the NoI documents on their site how they were compromised.

Being infiltrated does not mean the organization or mission is completely or even significantly compromised. The Nation of Islam grew stronger in numbers as well as assets all the way up to 1975.

Khalid Muhammad was getting national attention and like with Malcolm it seems Farrakhan doesn't want or like others outshining him and he removed him. He was not inciting violence by the way, it was whites acting against him. I believe they had a rally in NYC and white folks have starts acting violence and even the NYPD admitted tit was not because of the actions of Khalid and the black muslims that violence broke out.

Farrakhan appointed Khalid as his National spokesman. Farrakhan gave Khalid this "national attention" you speak of. The fact that you're even comparing Farrakhan and Malcolm to Farrakhan and Khalid proves that you don't know what you're talking about. At the time of the Million Youth March in NYC, Khalid was no longer part of "The Black Muslim."

Malcolm was kicked out and threatened with death and harrased by the NoI. He wasn't feeding anything, he was the NoI director of communication, it was his job to be the voice of the nation to the media. That said again internal strife was generated by the FBI and Farrakhan and others played into their hands.

Malcolm was never kicked out the Nation. There was no such title as "director of communication." You are clueless to what Farrakhan's actual position and assignment was in the mid-60's.

That said can you explain to me why Farrakhan has dianetic auditors in the NoI, dianetics itself is a pseudo-science used primarily by the scientology cult to fool people into shelling out money?

Farrakhan himself, and on plenty of occasions, explained his relationship with Scientology. You can go right on YouTube and hear for yourself.

The simple fact that you never mentioned Elijah Muhammad in your little "history" of The Nation of Islam, shows your just making sh-t up, or at best, going by 4th hand hearsay.