State of hip hop (bleh)

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Hip hop recently hit the point where the last generation is almost completely over, artists whove been making music for many years are finally slowing down, and we are completely in the new era, with artists like drake holding the torch. So where is hip hop now, with these new artists running things?

First off, id say that trap has hurt hip hop a lot in many ways. First off, it has really allowed weak rappers to get popular, just because their beats bang. It has also bled into almost all hip hop now, we have artists like jay influenced by it, and its gotten to the point where tons of artists are trying to pull off the success of keef, waka, gucci, ross, etc. But only a certain type of artist really can do it well, so now we have good artists making music under what they could make, because trap is all we want to hear now. Trap does keep rap somewhat exciting though, just because we always love when a new artist comes out with a new take on it, like keef did, and makes ridiculously hot music. But ultimately it has diluted the shyt out of hip hop, and i think without it having such a strong influence, we might have artists making more original, inspired music.

The fact that trap has invaded hip hop says a lot about the artists though. A lot of new-age rappers are pretty spineless, its become pretty common for artists to bite off the current hot artist, flow biting is rapant, as is debauchery and talking about weed/lean/other drugs. Then we have artists who try to go way away from trap, maybe in part because they want to diversify hip hop, but sadly most of them suck IMO. We have about 10 artists out who are real lyrical assassins, unlike in the 90s when there were a ridiculous amount of sick rappers, although this downward trend started in the 2000s earlier on. Guys like chance the rapper, macklemore, j cole, everyone else who tries this (if they were successful id be listening to them), they all make mediocre, if not just bad music. Ive honestly really enjoyed maybe one hip hop album this year, ill give props to yeezus, but besides that and macs album, i havent heard an album that comes close to inspiring/notable. All the hip hop ive listened to this year has been mainstream bangers, because thats all i find worth listening to, atleast thats enjoyable.

This year has seen a lot of disappointing releases, i shouldnt have to explain that. We have some huge albums coming up, but im not too excited because im kinda sure already that they wont reach expecations, or atleast mine. Objectively, the bar has been lowered, but as is natural our tastes have lowered to match it, we as listeners adapt to the gradual changes in the genre over time, looking back we dont realize how we let things pass that we used to not ignore. I even thought GKMC was a very good album, but not classic, almost half the album are good songs that arent great. And kenny never truly snaps like he did multiple times on section 80. Hip hop is being supported primarily by hipster rap, the only artists making inspiring/quality music consistently are guys like TDE, lil b (hes influenced hip hop in a good way, cant deny that, besides letting in troll rappers), currensy, joey fatts, danny brown, flatbush zombies, asap rocky before he went more mainstream, and others. Cloud rap is one of the best things to happen recently, i personally only listen to cloud rap and trap, because those are the only two genres people are really succeeding in. And the lack of consistency from all artists has really handicapped hip hop, since theres no artists besides drake really who are making sure theres always good music out here.

To finish this up, it seems pretty clear that the quality of hip hop has fell since 2011/last year, its been gradual, but we're seeing worse and worse new artists popping up, and becoming the next best thing, and thats when you know things have declined. I see almost no artists popping up who i have faith in, and only a few currently hot artists who i could say i like right now. The underground is dying, with the lack of lyrical rappers and the cesspool of wanna-bes, the few really good artists out there are being overshadowed by guys who are only getting into the industry with money or through influence. And looking at the latest music released, theres really almost nothing to listen to, its all mediocre/inconsistent. I have only listened to a few albums through without skipping a track, only 2 this year i think, and whats coming up next? Who truly knows, artists like drake and sean might drop something good, idk what other releases are coming up, but tbh im starting to not care. The only thing i see that can change hip hop for the better, is indie influence. I know you guys are more into traditional hip hop, but i see a potential in borrowing the musicality and melodic, emotional, tone based aspects from indie. Producers like clams casino have started the trend, and im waiting for the first artist to really just kill it to pop up. Also, if someone can find a way to bring lyricism back without trying too hard, but can also make good captivating music, that would also be something that could bring things around. Because right now, the only artists who we can really expect to release interesting and good projects that you would listen to for months, are kendrick, maybe the rest of TDE, drake, and kanye.

The state of hip hop right now, its quickly falling, right now its definitely still save-able, id compare it to the lakers situation. Things arent looking too good, its way to early to jump the gun and say its "dead", but theres a strong potential for that to happen. Hip hop is starting to become extremely bland and repetitive, an outsider opinion would say that its gotten to the point where the genre is starting to recede and pass the torch to electronic music as the most popular genre today. Without some strong boost from a new artist or a current one, hip hop could really go to shyt.
 

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BTW this post was inspired by when i woke up this morning, and sat down thinking of what to listen to after about 6 months of playing the same few tracks i like over and over, and realized completely that hip hop isnt doin too well. It really came out of a hate for the fact that i have nothing to listen to, and just the sad fact that things have gotten worse, in the genre i love so much.

And as a producer i want to say this. To all you young producers who make the same shyt everyone else does (90% of producers today), you are hurting hip hop too. By making the same trap beats and sending them to weak ass rappers, your continuing this vicious cycle of squashing quality music and diluting hip hop. I urge you to really approach this as a true artist, true artists make music from the heart, music that really is you. If your really doing that, then why does all the shyt i hear sound the same, we arent all the same person
 

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I agree with Kendrick/TDE/Kanye, probably the only arztists who can release something groundbreaking... but I don't think that drake can release something great, he never did, never will.

I think Drake is a fad. I'd like anyone to name a song he's made which they seriously think will be debated throughout music history as groundbreaking or re-inventing the wheel...

If you can't, then how do you justify saying he'll be around in 10 years in a serious way?

Because he's on his third album. So if he hasn't made one of those kinds of songs yet... when will he?

He's a fad that exists due to catering to females and capitalizing on Kanye's popularization of auto-tune and crooning within hip-hop. He's not making anything substantial, every lyric I've heard out of his mouth ranges from generic to pure cringing. Nothing about him screams 'legend' or even 'original'.

disagree abou tthe rest bro, I'm 33 and some albums released in the 2010's blew my mind, way more than illmatic or reasonable doubt back in the days. I guess it's all about opinion and musical tastes. Hip hop is in a good place again IMO, we still have Nas, Kendrick Lamar, TDE, and we have a lot of new artists
 
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I agree with Kendrick/TDE/Kanye, probably the only arztists who can release something groundbreaking... but I don't think that drake can release something great, he never did, never will.

I think Drake is a fad. I'd like anyone to name a song he's made which they seriously think will be debated throughout music history as groundbreaking or re-inventing the wheel...

If you can't, then how do you justify saying he'll be around in 10 years in a serious way?

Because he's on his third album. So if he hasn't made one of those kinds of songs yet... when will he?

He's a fad that exists due to catering to females and capitalizing on Kanye's popularization of auto-tune and crooning within hip-hop. He's not making anything substantial, every lyric I've heard out of his mouth ranges from generic to pure cringing. Nothing about him screams 'legend' or even 'original'.

disagree abou tthe rest bro, I'm 33 and some albums released in the 2010's blew my mind, way more than illmatic or reasonable doubt back in the days. I guess it's all about opinion and musical tastes.
Post some of the albums you like, srsly cus id love something new to listen to

drake isnt a legend, and hes not a visionary or anything, he was influenced by yeezy but he did do his own thing with his music, i wouldnt say he really ripped off yeezy. Whats funny is he really ripped off the weeknd, take care was essentially drakes tribute to the style that the weeknd made. But above that all, i can say he makes good music. Like you said its about taste, but personally drake is one of the few who releases records that are clearly attempts at making something special, he treats his records each like he wants it to be a classic, and thats what leads to his success and his quality of music. He cant be a fad, hes been popular for 4 years and hes still going strong, to say hes a fad makes you sound like your in denial.
 

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the only 4 albums that will probably be in my favorite albums ( of the last 5 years) are MBDTF, GKMC , LIG and Unden
Ab-Soul isn't far from that list tbh.

Only 4 albums but it's already good imo because only 3 albums really blew my mind in the 2000's (Stillmatic, Marshall Mathers LP and The Cool)
edit: forgot about below the heavens.
 
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the only 4 albums that will probably be in my favorite albums ( of the last 5 years) are MBDTF, GKMC , LIG and Unden
Ab-Soul isn't far from that list tbh.

Only 4 albums but it's already good imo because only 3 albums really blew my mind in the 2000's (Stillmatic, Marshall Mathers LP and The Cool)
I could name a ton of great 2000s albums, like a tooon

for the 2000s all i can say in terms of great projects, are mbdtf, teflon don was piff, GKMC, section 80 (best one besides mbdtf maybe), LIG, and thats it really. Undun is really good but personally i didnt think it was too ridiculous, it was a real solid project though. Id also add Liveloveasap, that project was pretty groundbreaking in terms of production and sound, wasnt the best really but it ushered in cloud rap more along with lil b. I guess it doesnt help that my tastes are kinda hipster-ish, which is why you guys probably arent on the same page as me. Dreamchasers was really good, macadelic/WMWTSO were good, friday night lights was good, Q and souls albums were pretty close to great, and take care was solid, but thats it, and none of those albums except GKMC and LIG came out past 2012 (none in 2013), ignoring mac's projects which i wouldnt consider good enough to be in that conversation.
 

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Nothing wrong with hip hop in 2013. There has been plenty of releases that have been HEAT, especially in the non-trap category. The real problem is that people are complaining about the state of rap instead of trying to find good music. Cats would rather debate about the same 10 rappers than check a thread on here about someone they've never listened to.
 

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List I posted in another thread about dope albums from 2013:

A$AP Rocky - Long.Live.A$AP
Czarface - Czarface
Durag Dynasty - 360 Waves
Epidemic - Somethin' for tha Listeners
Freddie Gibbs - ESGN
Gensu Dean & Planet Asia - Abrasions
Ghostface Killah & Adrian Younge - Twelve Reasons to Die
Hannibal Stax & Marco Polo - Save the Day
Ill Bill - The Grimy Awards
J. Cole - Born Sinner
Jay-Z - Magna Carta Holy Grail
John Robinson & Kyo Itachi - The Path of Mystery
Kanye West - Yeezus
Kid Tsunami - The Chase
Mac Miller - Watching Movies with the Sound Off
P-Money - Gratitude
Prodigy & Alchemist - Albert Einstein
Qwel & Maker - Beautiful Raw
Rittz - The Life & Times of Johnny Valiant
Run the Jewels - Run the Jewels
Slum Village - Evolution
Starlito - Cold Turkey
Statik Selektah - Extended Play
Styles P - Float
Tyler the Creator - Wolf
Wale - The Gifted
Zo! - ManMade

If you don't think at least 5-10 of these albums are flames, maybe hip hop ain't for you :manny: And that's only albums, there's prolly been twice as many dope mixtapes.
 

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No diss but do you actually look for new music silver?

plenty of stuff out there.

i felt the same way not long ago, well it was more towards mainstream shyt with why they dont have the good shyt on the radio and balance it out, but i've found stuff i like so im kool with it.
 

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Last year was the first year in a while that I was impressed. You had LIG, GKMC, bfk and R.A.P. Music. All great releases to me. Plus a bunch of second tier releases. This year has been less interesting but I still think someone will grab the interesting parts of yeezus and do it better. Don't know who though.
 
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