Study: "Acting white" label only affects black achievement in mixed race schools

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Been down this road of being called "white boy" from everything to my crisp polo and khaki game, to my diction, all the way to when my little ass in 3rd grade said in response to my teachers question "What would you like to do when you grow up?"

I responded clear as day "Hack computer mainframes and play in virtual reality."

I saw TRON and Wargames when I was like 7. White boy shyt, apparently.
 

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"Furthermore, Fryer and Torelli’s (2010) study entitled, An Empirical Analysis of “Acting White” found that the phenomenon of ‘acting white’ had a statistically significant effect on black student achievement, only in the context of certain schools. In particular, a statistically significant effect was found in public schools with high interracial contact among high achieving students, but little or no effect was found in predominantly black or private schools. These findings offer support in favour of Afrocentric Schools, as they demonstrate that students in interracial schools experience the “burden of acting white” to a greater extent than students in predominantly black schools."

http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=ungradawards_2015

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Quoting Canadian sources now huh. :mjpls:

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"Furthermore, Fryer and Torelli’s (2010) study entitled, An Empirical Analysis of “Acting White” found that the phenomenon of ‘acting white’ had a statistically significant effect on black student achievement, only in the context of certain schools. In particular, a statistically significant effect was found in public schools with high interracial contact among high achieving students, but little or no effect was found in predominantly black or private schools"

http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=ungradawards_2015

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Absolute bullshyt. I'm not buying black students in an all black school, not being effected by being told they're acting white. Matter of fact, that's a huge problem in a lot of mostly black high schools.
 

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Absolute bullshyt. I'm not buying black students in an all black school, not being effected by being told they're acting white. Matter of fact, that's a huge problem in a lot of mostly black high schools.

You can't dispute scientfic study with unrigious statements backed by nothing but your own skepticism though. If you don't buy the study, provide a compelling counterargument with evidence and reason, not conjecture. To go over how the study came to its conclusion: A selection of white and black schools were examined, black students were rounded up, and only those blacks who claimed having been labelled "acting white" AND happened to be in a mixed school had any negative academic effects. The black students who said they were variously labelled the same in black schools didn't suffer academically for it. This is what the data shows.
 
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You can't dispute scientfic study with unrigious statements backed by nothing but your own skepticism though. If you don't buy the study, provide a compelling counterargument with evidence and reason, not conjecture. To go over how the study came to its conclusion: A selection of white and black schools were examined, black students were rounded up, and only those blacks who claimed having been labelled "acting white" AND happened to be in a mixed school had any negative academic effects. The black students who said they were variously labelled the same in black schools didn't suffer academically for it. This is what the data shows.


'Acting White' Remains a Barrier for Black Education

In the eighties, (black) anthropologist John Ogbu with Signithia Fordham argued that black kids under perform in school partly because those who behave scholarly are teased as being "white," such that often fitting in means letting one's grades slip. And indeed, legions of nerdy black kids are familiar with black peers saying "Why are you working so hard on that school stuff? You think you're white?"
However, the documentation of this has always rankled those who prefer to document black problems as due to institutional racism rather than cultural problems, and over the past ten years, it has become popular to claim that it has been "refuted" that black kids think of school as "white" and that this lowers black scholastic performance.

But the people taking that position have a way of serenely neglecting counterarguments, not to mention embracing starkly shaky argumentation as authoritative simply because it makes what they regard as the better music. For example, one supposed piece of evidence that the "acting white" bit isn't a problem is that if you ask black kids if they value school they say yes. But this is hardly the smackdown argument people suppose. Last time I checked, race and racial self-identification were a subtle business. Who's up for asking Donald Sterling whether he likes black people? Aren't these sociologists, educators and journalists such as Bouie exactly the people who would laugh out the room a study claiming that you can identify people's inner racism by asking them about it?

t's careful work that shows that indeed, black American teen identity often includes a sense of school as the province of whites—which is hardly surprising given black Americans' history in this country. Clifton Casteel did a study in Elementary School Guidance and Counseling in 1997 in which white eighth and ninth graders tended strongly to say they did homework for their parents, while black kids said they did homework for their teachers—that is, the black kids had a quiet sense that school was not for what "we" are at heart. Then, Harvard's Roland Fryer has shown that among black teens, the better one does in school the fewer people report him or her as a friend—and to much more of an extent than among kids of other races.

The evidence continues
. Newspaper coverage of the phenomenon has been rich. John Ogbu wrote a whole book squarely documenting black kids being told that doing well in school was white. After I wrote Losing the Race in 2000, I was surprised by thousands of letters, including over a hundred from black people explicitly attesting that they were teased as "white" for liking school, as well as from concerned teachers wondering what to do about black kids coming to them and telling them about this happening. I could go on, and on, and on (and have, elsewhere). The evidence is of crushing weight.

The "acting white is a myth" crowd see quite the weapon in, for example, Tyson, Darity and Castellino's finding that it's mostly in integrated schools that the "acting white" charge flares up. Their implication seems to be that because it isn't an issue among poor black kids, it basically isn't an issue at all. But whence suddenly the idea that only poor black kids' problems matter? Anyone can see that the reason poor black kids underachieve is lousy schools, not being called "white," but surely we aren't under the impression that there are so few middle class black students in 2014 that their problems qualify as mere static. That black kids suffer this in advantaged circumstances such as these is exactly why the "acting white" issue is a problem.

Meanwhile, another purported riposte to people like me is studies showing that problems like poverty, poor schools, and economic duress "disprove" that the acting white charge is significant. However, they do not—they merely show that the issue is multifaceted. The question is why a widespread brand of social rejection would not have an effect, and a serious one, on grades; people claiming "acting white" is a myth have no answer to that question.


You are fukking crazy if you believe that being called or labeled as acting white hasn't effected many a black student in an all black school setting.
 

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'Acting White' Remains a Barrier for Black Education

In the eighties, (black) anthropologist John Ogbu with Signithia Fordham argued that black kids under perform in school partly because those who behave scholarly are teased as being "white," such that often fitting in means letting one's grades slip. And indeed, legions of nerdy black kids are familiar with black peers saying "Why are you working so hard on that school stuff? You think you're white?"
However, the documentation of this has always rankled those who prefer to document black problems as due to institutional racism rather than cultural problems, and over the past ten years, it has become popular to claim that it has been "refuted" that black kids think of school as "white" and that this lowers black scholastic performance.

But the people taking that position have a way of serenely neglecting counterarguments, not to mention embracing starkly shaky argumentation as authoritative simply because it makes what they regard as the better music. For example, one supposed piece of evidence that the "acting white" bit isn't a problem is that if you ask black kids if they value school they say yes. But this is hardly the smackdown argument people suppose. Last time I checked, race and racial self-identification were a subtle business. Who's up for asking Donald Sterling whether he likes black people? Aren't these sociologists, educators and journalists such as Bouie exactly the people who would laugh out the room a study claiming that you can identify people's inner racism by asking them about it?

t's careful work that shows that indeed, black American teen identity often includes a sense of school as the province of whites—which is hardly surprising given black Americans' history in this country. Clifton Casteel did a study in Elementary School Guidance and Counseling in 1997 in which white eighth and ninth graders tended strongly to say they did homework for their parents, while black kids said they did homework for their teachers—that is, the black kids had a quiet sense that school was not for what "we" are at heart. Then, Harvard's Roland Fryer has shown that among black teens, the better one does in school the fewer people report him or her as a friend—and to much more of an extent than among kids of other races.

The evidence continues
. Newspaper coverage of the phenomenon has been rich. John Ogbu wrote a whole book squarely documenting black kids being told that doing well in school was white. After I wrote Losing the Race in 2000, I was surprised by thousands of letters, including over a hundred from black people explicitly attesting that they were teased as "white" for liking school, as well as from concerned teachers wondering what to do about black kids coming to them and telling them about this happening. I could go on, and on, and on (and have, elsewhere). The evidence is of crushing weight.

The "acting white is a myth" crowd see quite the weapon in, for example, Tyson, Darity and Castellino's finding that it's mostly in integrated schools that the "acting white" charge flares up. Their implication seems to be that because it isn't an issue among poor black kids, it basically isn't an issue at all. But whence suddenly the idea that only poor black kids' problems matter? Anyone can see that the reason poor black kids underachieve is lousy schools, not being called "white," but surely we aren't under the impression that there are so few middle class black students in 2014 that their problems qualify as mere static. That black kids suffer this in advantaged circumstances such as these is exactly why the "acting white" issue is a problem.

Meanwhile, another purported riposte to people like me is studies showing that problems like poverty, poor schools, and economic duress "disprove" that the acting white charge is significant. However, they do not—they merely show that the issue is multifaceted. The question is why a widespread brand of social rejection would not have an effect, and a serious one, on grades; people claiming "acting white" is a myth have no answer to that question.


You are fukking crazy if you believe that being called or labeled as acting white hasn't effected many a black student in an all black school setting.

Nothing you bold here disproves the fact that the acting white label has no negative academic effect on black kids in black schools. Black kids ONLY underperform in mixed schools when called out for acting white. If you could read, you would see that I never disagreed with Ogbu and that that black kids get teased for acting white in both mixed and black schools. My contention is in line with Fryer's 2010 study which says the label has no negative academic effect on black students in black schools.

Also,studies which show that poverty, economic duress, etc have nothing to do with acting white labels in school actually provide evidence the term does not matter in that context. Someone's opinion doesn't change that/
 
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Nothing you bold here disproves the fact that the acting white label has no negative academic effect on black kids in black schools. Black kids ONLY underperform in mixed schools when called out for acting white. If you could read, you would see that I never disagreed with Ogbu and that that black kids get teased for acting white in both mixed and black schools. My contention is in line with Fryer's 2010 study which says the label has no negative academic effect on black students in black schools.

Also,studies which show that poverty, economic duress, etc have nothing to do with acting white labels in school actually provide evidence the term does not matter in that context. Someone's opinion doesn't change that/

So let me get this straight. You believe it only effects under performance in mixed schools when called out for acting white. BUT not black schools, think about how that sounds breh. I'm Black I know from personal experience that shyt effects you. And I know I'm not alone.
 

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So let me get this straight. You believe it only effects under performance in mixed schools when called out for acting white. BUT not black schools, think about how that sounds breh. I'm Black I know from personal experience that shyt effects you. And I know I'm not alone.

I believe what data says whereas you just believe whatever you want. Let me paste the data for you since you can't fukking read:

"Furthermore, Fryer and Torelli’s (2010) study entitled, An Empirical Analysis of “Acting White” found that the phenomenon of ‘acting white’ had a statistically significant effect on black student achievement, only in the context of certain schools. In particular, a statistically significant effect was found in public schools with high interracial contact among high achieving students, but little or no effect was found in predominantly black or private schools.

I surmise you know from personal experience you're a c00n and you think people calling you one is why you didn't succeed in life after black schools. No, you failed because you're stupid, because nobody else failed in the same circumstance. That's what the evidence says.
 
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I believe what data says whereas you just believe whatever you want. Let me paste the data for you since you can't fukking read:

"Furthermore, Fryer and Torelli’s (2010) study entitled, An Empirical Analysis of “Acting White” found that the phenomenon of ‘acting white’ had a statistically significant effect on black student achievement, only in the context of certain schools. In particular, a statistically significant effect was found in public schools with high interracial contact among high achieving students, but little or no effect was found in predominantly black or private schools.

I surmise you know from personal experience you're a c00n and you think people calling you one is why you didn't succeed in life after black schools. No, you failed because you're stupid, because nobody else failed in the same circumstance. That's what the evidence says.

I just provided information form a BLACK AUTHOR who broke down why that study was... Ok breh you win. shyt like this only effects Blacks in Mixed schools and not hood schools. You got it champ.
 

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I just provided information form a BLACK AUTHOR who broke down why that study was... Ok breh you win. shyt like this only effects Blacks in Mixed schools and not hood schools. You got it champ.

No, the black author merely made some statements irrelevant to my assertion, like Ogbu's saying acting white happens and his saying that black kids underperform in school because of the acting white phenomenon. Fryer's study meanwhile establishes the facts on the matter, which is that the "acting white" label only negatively affects black academic performance in mixed race schools. Notice how I said the label only doesn't affect ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE IN BLACK SCHOOLS, you fukking moron, which still leaves the door open for other effects.
 
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