if you don't have religions laws as a basis for moral compass...you can use actual laws as a basis for moral compass. You can use parental guidance as a basis for moral compass. You can use any of life's experiences to shape your moral compass. The things that happen to you that make you feel good/bad can shape your moral compass. Other people's emotions can shape your moral compass. Religion is a great tool to get people to behave righteously. But it can also warp your moral compass towards the motives of the religion. There is more to religion than "love thy neighbor", thats why so many wars and conflicts have been caused by religion. So I disagree with him. He's just more oratorically experienced in debating his point than the guy he's talking to.