Sweden a lesson for America

[HellRell804]

While surfing the web I came across this video



Which is a take on this full video if you dont trust the source of the original video (I cant keep track of who is written off as right wing or whatever)



Now one thing stuck out to me. Sweden denies being socialist at all. According to the video, they tried socialism in the 80s but the insane taxes caused rich people to flee and tax revenue to plummet. The taxes they collected weren't enough to fund the welfare state they promised.

They privatized public railways, broke up government backed monopolies, instituted school vouchers for children, lowered taxes, and eliminated the inheritance tax. They also privatized their pension system.

The spending cuts and privatization allowed once impoverished Sweden to grow into one of the richest countries in the world.

Sweden still has high taxes, but, and this may surprise you, but they tax low income earners more than other countries.

Now besides the high income taxes for regular people, Sweden sounds pretty damn libertarian to me. But people like our favorite couch surfing power bottom @Ya' Cousin Cleon say libertarians are fascists that dont care about the poor, but also that places like sweden are places we need to emulate.

Is it oochie wallie or one mic?

Coli help me make sense of this

 

[TEH]

Before I click

Anything in there about the rape of African wealth

 

[HellRell804]

Before I click

Anything in there about the rape of African wealth

Nah, unfortunately.

Every so called developed nation exploits Africa and that's not going to change until Africa unites.

 

[Phitz]

yeah but there is no such thing as a PURE captialist society.

If America was pure capitalist alot of people would be out on the streets

Unions, pension plans, medicaid, social security are all Socialism or socialist programs.

Capitalism needs some type of socialism to keep the people from rebelling.

 

[HellRell804]

yeah but there is no such thing as a PURE captialist society.

If America was pure capitalist alot of people would be out on the streets

Unions, pension plans, medicaid, social security are all Socialism or socialist programs.

Capitalism needs some type of socialism to keep the people from rebelling.

The pension system is Sweden's form of social security and its privatized. The medical system as well. The high tax revenue they get from all of these private businesses and the competition that these businesses engage in, allow the costs associated with those programs to be affordable with the excess tax revenue.

Which is much different than the traditional socialist approach of punishing success and running off talented and innovative people just to pay for wasteful and inefficient Gov spending.

 

[Phitz]

The pension system is Sweden's form of social security and its privatized. The medical system as well. The high tax revenue they get from all of these private businesses and the competition that these businesses engage in, allow the costs associated with those programs to be affordable with the excess tax revenue.

Which is much different than the traditional socialist approach of punishing success and running off talented and innovative people just to pay for wasteful and inefficient Gov spending.

you can get similar with privitization.... ie Enron and peoples 401K/retirements...that's why you need a mix of both whether 60/40, 50/50, or 70/30

Whichever route you take if the people processing your pensions/medicare/Social Secrurity etc. are irresponsible it will cost you either way.

 

[Cave Savage]

I support a capitalist system with regulations to provent workers and the environment from being exploited, and with socialist safety nets. "Pure socialism" where the state controls everything is just not a good idea. I don't think it has ever worked

 

[HellRell804]

you can get similar with privitization.... ie Enron and peoples 401K/retirements...that's why you need a mix of both whether 60/40, 50/50, or 70/30

Whichever route you take if the people processing your pensions/medicare/Social Secrurity etc. are irresponsible it will cost you either way.

Wasteful and inefficient spending for a private business is death.

For a government program, fraud and corruption are the order of the day.

For instance, in AOC's new deal, she says she wants to transition all vehicles from using fossil fuels in 12 years. Now biofuels have been a thing for a century and would be able to be instituted with minimal modifications to existing vehicles. But she specifically states that it should be electric vehicles which would require either complete engine overhauls or require people to buy new electric vehicles. Now forgive me if I'm wrong but there's only 1 company in the USA mass producing electric vehicles and under this new deal they would stand to make a fortune at the expense of taxpayers, when there was an easier more cost efficient system available. I'd like to get a good look at her campaign donors...

 

[Cave Savage]

Double

 

[HellRell804]

I support a capitalist system with regulations to provent workers and the environment from being exploited, and with socialist safety nets. "Pure socialism" where the state controls everything is just not a good idea. I don't think it has ever worked

That's the kind of utopia I wanna live in, a thriving free market with the government only stepping in to enforce worker's rights and protect the environment, and a safety net used to help people and not buy votes or pacify the masses.

Sounds way better than a bloated government that will take everything away from me if I misgender someone on FBIBook and get labeled as a nazi

 

[Phitz]

Wasteful and inefficient spending for a private business is death.

For a government program, fraud and corruption are the order of the day.

For instance, in AOC's new deal, she says she wants to transition all vehicles from using fossil fuels in 12 years. Now biofuels have been a thing for a century and would be able to be instituted with minimal modifications to existing vehicles. But she specifically states that it should be electric vehicles which would require either complete engine overhauls or require people to buy new electric vehicles. Now forgive me if I'm wrong but there's only 1 company in the USA mass producing electric vehicles and under this new deal they would stand to make a fortune at the expense of taxpayers, when there was an easier more cost efficient system available. I'd like to get a good look at her campaign donors...

Pure capitalists from Europe who created vast economic empires when they came to America PAID Karl Marx to teach them about socialism and design a way to integrate socialism into their agenda. They did this because they KNEW pure captialism is also death. It creates too many have nots. You have to mix the two for a functional municipality or nation.

 

[HellRell804]

Pure capitalists from Europe who created vast economic empires when they came to America PAID Karl Marx to teach them about socialism and design a way to integrate socialism into their agenda. They did this because they KNEW pure captialism is also death. It creates too many have nots. You have to mix the two for a functional municipality or nation.

I don't disagree with you. Safety nets are needed. I just don't believe in giving the government the power to administer those things. I'd rather the government just cut the check for people who need it and stay out of it

 

[Savvir]

Sounds way better than a bloated government that will take everything away from me if I misgender someone on FBIBook and get labeled as a nazi

what government does that?

 

[HellRell804]

what government does that?

The one currently trying to position it's way into power with promises of redistributed wealth.

Most of the tech companies in silicon valley lean left heavy anyway and we've seen how they get down in regards to free speech and they already spy on us relentlessly. I'd rather not have the government in charge of that monster, in fact that monster needs to be put down

 

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