Teachers Fight To Keep Pre-Colonial World History In AP Course

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Advanced civilizations flourished throughout Africa, Asia and the Americas well before Europe escaped the Dark Ages and colonized parts of the world. Yet the College Board, the non-profit that administers Advanced Placement (AP) classes, has now made a decision to remove these civilizations from the curriculum of AP world history courses.

Politico reported yesterday (June 11) that several teachers confronted Trevor Packer, the College Board’s vice president of AP and Instruction, at an open forum in Salt Lake City last week. Educators took issue with the College Board’s recent change to the course, which sets the beginning of tested material to 1450—approximately the beginning of European colonialism. Several high school teachers said that the alteration effectively erases the pre-colonial history of people of color from the curriculum. This is an especially big issue to teachers of students of color, who otherwise rarely see themselves represented with nuance or strength in high school courses.

“You cannot tell my Black and Brown students that their history is not going to be tested and then assume that isn’t going to matter,” Oakland-based educator Amanda DoAmaralsaid to Packer in a video from the forum that went viral. “The people in power in our country already are telling those same students that their history, present and future doesn’t matter.”

The College Board said on its website that it made the change to make the course more manageable:

The current AP World History course and exam cover 10,000 years of history across all seven continents. No other APcourse requires such an expanse of content to be covered over a single school year. AP World History teachers have told us over the years that the scope of content is simply too broad, and that they often need to sacrifice depth to cover it all in a single year.

The statement offers suggestions for addressing the pre-colonial period, including a “pre-AP” course. Packer mentioned this possibility to DoAmaral, who responded: “The state might subsidize the test, [but] they’re not going to subsidize your pre-AP World class, and our schools are not going to teach that.”

“They don’t have the money for pencils, dude!” she continued to applause.

The College Board also noted that the new frame for testing won’t stop teachers from incorporating pre-1450 material in APWorld History courses, for which students can earn college credits. But Dylan Black, a New Jersey high school student who launched a petition against the changes, acknowledged that the change essentially prevents college-bound students from learning anything that won’t be tested. Black called the pre-APcourse, which does not yield a college credit, “just a fancier way of saying an honors course.”

“It would be cutting down so many people’s different histories—like Asian history before imperialism, American history before Columbus and African history before slavery,” Oakland high school student Noah Mitchell noted to Politico. “Really, the message that this would be sending is that their histories don’t really matter.”

Packer tweeted after the forum that the feedback motivated him to consider unspecified changes to the course model, which would take effect in the 2019-2020 school year.

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This is surprising considering CB has been doing lots to diversify their curriculum in recent years. Seems more the result of a lose-lose situation than anything else.

They should just offer AP World 1 and 2.
 

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Reminds me something my parents told me when I was really young.

"Know your true history and never tell a soul".

Because they are trying to erase what happened to us. Saw some YT video with some young black man mumbling "I thought Jim Crow made clothes"....so you know the program is already working on the young blacks growing up.
 

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College professors who teach World History have 3 months to teach it. High school teachers have a whole year to teach it. How is this actually a problem? Why do these institutions of education try so hard to not educate our kids? :wtf:

I mean. I know the answer. But it's worth asking anyway.
 

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College professors who teach World History have 3 months to teach it. High school teachers have a whole year to teach it. How is this actually a problem? Why do these institutions of education try so hard to not educate our kids? :wtf:

I mean. I know the answer. But it's worth asking anyway.
You have them for maybe an hour a day, and also have to teach them how to read, write, speak, use computers, and interact in a mature manner....all of which while they're also learning the basics of math, science, English, art, and a foreign language.
And they're more immature, so generally don't give a shyt about any of it.
College professors can say "go read this long ass book for next week".
 

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Hate to say it but it kinda makes sense for the US

:manny:

At first I was worried this was going to be about African states and then I would've been horrified....
 

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You have them for maybe an hour a day, and also have to teach them how read, write, speak, use computers, and interact in a mature manner....all of which while they're also learning the basics of math, scence, English, art, and a foreign language.
And their more immature, so generally don't give a shyt about any of it.
College professors can say "go read this long ass book for next week".

Nah, fam. Negative. This is AP World History. Those kids aren't there to fukk around like it's algebra 1. They know what they're in there for. And they move accordingly. They know how to read, write, and use computers already. They are mature enough to take that class because they know they are taking it for college credit. I know we're quick to sell kids short. But don't be that quick. None of what you're saying is really any different than what college kids do now. Except the college kids are a bit more mature. I'll give you that.
 

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Nah, fam. Negative. This is AP World History. Those kids aren't there to fukk around like it's algebra 1. They know what they're in there for. And they move accordingly. They know how to read, write, and use computers already. They are mature enough to take that class because they know they are taking it for college credit. I know we're quick to sell kids short. But don't be that quick. None of what you're saying is really any different than what college kids do now. Except the college kids are a bit more mature. I'll give you that.
Fair, but when is the last time you taught an AP class? :ld:

I do every year, and they may be smart/motivated kids...but they're still kids.
 

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Fair, but when is the last time you taught an AP class? :ld:

I do every year, and they may be smart/motivated kids...but they're still kids.

Fair. But I've taken AP classes. I have family who are taking AP classes. I got friends whose kids take AP classes. So I know kids take those classes more serious than the kids who take regular history classes.

OOC, what class you teach?
 

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Fair. But I've taken AP classes. I have family who are taking AP classes. I got friends whose kids take AP classes. So I know kids take those classes more serious than the kids who take regular history classes.

OOC, what class you teach?
Yeah, I hear you. I know all the history classes are cutting content to emphasize the "skills of history".

European History :hamster:
 

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they need to erase European history I remember back in high school its all we fukking learned... :scust: everything else was a footnote.
 

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College Board is a scam anyway.

It's a laugh to say that these are really "college level" courses. It's just a gigantic money-making endeavor by a monopoly, and in the end all it does for students is sort them according to what neighborhood they're from and thus how strong their schooling was.

Colleges should refuse to give college credit for AP, and high schools should refuse to give the College Board money just to get access to their damn standardized tests and certificates.


Teaching World History only from 1450 on is a bunch of bullshyt too. It's basically a straight admittance that the USA was built on White Supremacy, so that's the only area we'll cover.
 

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College Board is a scam anyway.

It's a laugh to say that these are really "college level" courses. It's just a gigantic money-making endeavor by a monopoly, and in the end all it does for students is sort them according to what neighborhood they're from and thus how strong their schooling was.

Colleges should refuse to give college credit for AP, and high schools should refuse to give the College Board money just to get access to their damn standardized tests and certificates.


Teaching World History only from 1450 on is a bunch of bullshyt too. It's basically a straight admittance that the USA was built on White Supremacy, so that's the only area we'll cover.
This, I agree with.
 
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