Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president

[ill]

This is the argument all far-right parties use in Europe. "His ID says French, but he's not really French, look at him".



Let's have less outlandish scenario so I understand better : say an American travels the world (because that's what some people do), meets an American girl in Paris l, has a kid in Paris, then they move back to the US when the kid is one year old, and the kid only lives in the US afterwards.

Is the kid considered a "natural born American" since both his parents are, or not because he was born outside the US?



Breh Tony Parker was born in Belgium. You think he cares about Belgium or vice-versa? This is really basic (as in simplistic) reasonning.

"It's not where you from, it's where you at"

Just because the far-right uses it, doesn't mean its not a legitimate argument. If he was born on American soil, he's American. I think the Europeans may have more issues because they have large recent immigrant groups that have numbers to really affect policy. I don't know how France classifies natural born or if thats even a requirement so I can't speak on them. The "new world" of multi-cultural and multi-national entities kind of throws a wrench in things but I think this reverts back to common law and it states that you are natural born if you were born to citizens or naturalized citizens within America.

To the second question: I would say it depends. I would take a guess that if its two naturally born American citizens, then the baby will be American as well but I'm not exactly sure how that works. Maybe if the child is born in Paris, his birth papers would say he's a French citizen, would they not? If so, I would say they are not eligible for Presidency.

 

[mbewane]

Just because the far-right uses it, doesn't mean its not a legitimate argument. If he was born on American soil, he's American. I think the Europeans may have more issues because they have large recent immigrant groups that have numbers to really affect policy. I don't know how France classifies natural born or if thats even a requirement so I can't speak on them. The "new world" of multi-cultural and multi-national entities kind of throws a wrench in things but I think this reverts back to common law and it states that you are natural born if you were born to citizens or naturalized citizens within America.

To the second question: I would say it depends. I would take a guess that if its two naturally born American citizens, then the baby will be American as well but I'm not exactly sure how that works. Maybe if the child is born in Paris, his birth papers would say he's a French citizen, would they not? If so, I would say they are not eligible for Presidency.

In France if you're a French citizen you can be candidate for presidency. No ifs whats or whatever. Doesn't matter if you mom is Chinese and your father is Namibian and that you were born in Miami. Doesn't matter if you've had French citizenship for 2 years. If you have French citizenship (which can acquired in different ways) you can be elected. Sarkozy is the son of Hungarian citizens who migrated to France. To my knowledge, it's the same in Belgium (our former PM was born in Belgium to Italian immigrants). Once you acquire the French citizenship you have the same rights as "natural" French people. For example : Tony Parker's father is American, his mom Dutch and he was born in Belgium. None of that matters since he has French citizenship : he could be elected.

To answer your question if the child is born in France of foreign citizens he will automatically become FRench at 18 IF he is living in France at that moment and has been in France for a total of 5 years after he turns 11. So that's not my scenario. In my scenario : Kid only has US citizenship, born to Americans, grew up in America, only knows America. Could be a brilliang politician, serve in the army, the whole thing, yet because his parents (Americans) met and had a baby in France he is considered unworthy ? I trust you see this makes little sense? Again, we're not talking about someone who grew up in Paris, only speaks French, has never been to the US or whatever, but a baby who left Paris while basically still in diapers.

 

[ill]

In France if you're a French citizen you can be candidate for presidency. No ifs whats or whatever. Doesn't matter if you mom is Chinese and your father is Namibian and that you were born in Miami. Doesn't matter if you've had French citizenship for 2 years. If you have French citizenship (which can acquired in different ways) you can be elected. Sarkozy is the son of Hungarian citizens who migrated to France. To my knowledge, it's the same in Belgium (our former PM was born in Belgium to Italian immigrants). Once you acquire the French citizenship you have the same rights as "natural" French people. For example : Tony Parker's father is American, his mom Dutch and he was born in Belgium. None of that matters since he has French citizenship : he could be elected.

To answer your question if the child is born in France of foreign citizens he will automatically become FRench at 18 IF he is living in France at that moment and has been in France for a total of 5 years after he turns 11. So that's not my scenario. In my scenario : Kid only has US citizenship, born to Americans, grew up in America, only knows America. Could be a brilliang politician, serve in the army, the whole thing, yet because his parents (Americans) met and had a baby in France he is considered unworthy ? I trust you see this makes little sense? Again, we're not talking about someone who grew up in Paris, only speaks French, has never been to the US or whatever, but a baby who left Paris while basically still in diapers.

Thanks for the info on France.

I understand your question a little better now. I would say the child IS eligible because he has two American parents and his birth papers will say so. Having a child on 'vacation' doesn't nullify his American birth, IMO. I'd say its very similar to Cruz' situation.

 

[rapbeats]

This is the argument all far-right parties use in Europe. "His ID says French, but he's not really French, look at him".



Let's have less outlandish scenario so I understand better : say an American travels the world (because that's what some people do), meets an American girl in Paris l, has a kid in Paris, then they move back to the US when the kid is one year old, and the kid only lives in the US afterwards.

Is the kid considered a "natural born American" since both his parents are, or not because he was born outside the US?



Breh Tony Parker was born in Belgium. You think he cares about Belgium or vice-versa? This is really basic (as in simplistic) reasonning.

"It's not where you from, it's where you at"

no its not. where you're at, its where you are from when it comes to BIRTHRIGHTS. thats real simple and has been the case since uhhhh the beginning of time more or less.