Ted Talk: "Kobe performed better against the Boston Celtics in 2010 than LeBron did."

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LeBron Stans will cling to stats and "efficiency" because they know the numbers look better on the surface but when you examine them closely, it falls apart.

My hypothesis with Lebron is he increases his efficiency by driving to the basket at a higher rate....which is proven already when you look at shooting by distance FG percentage. Lebron goes to the basket on 35% of his shots vs. Kobe's 21%. The problem is this strategy gets exposed in the playoffs when defenses tighten up and don't allow those easy shots.

Against Boston in 2010, in the first three games, LeBron averaged 32 PPG, 7 RBS, 6 AST on 54% :wow:

The last three games of the series, Lebron averaged 21 PPG, 11 RBS, 8 AST on 34% efficiency :scusthov:

Which is in line with Boston switching up how they played him.


Here's every game LeBron had vs. Boston in 2010:

Game 1: 35 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 3 STL, 2 TOV, 500% FG
Game 2: 24 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 3 STL, 5 TOV, 467% FG
Game 3: 38 PTS, 8 RBS, 7 AST, 1 STL, 1 TOV, 636% FG
Game 4: 22 PTS, 9 RBS, 8 AST, 2 STL, 7 TOV, 389% FG
Game 5: 15 PTS, 9 RBS, 8 AST, 1 STL, 3 TOV, 214% FG
Game 6: 27 PTS, 19 RBS, 10 AST, 3 STL, 9 TOV, 381% FG

Here's every game Kobe had vs. Boston in 2010:

Game 1: 30 PTS, 7 RBS, 6 AST, 1 STL, 4 TOV, 455% FG
Game 2: 21 PTS, 5 RBS, 6 AST, 4 STL, 5 TOV, 400% FG
Game 3: 29 PTS, 7 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 1 TOV, 345% FG
Game 4: 33 PTS, 6 RBS, 2 AST, 2 STL, 7 TOV, 455% FG
Game 5: 38 PTS, 5 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 4 TOV, 481% FG
Game 6: 26 PTS, 11 RBS, 3 AST, 4 STL, 2 TOV, 474% FG
Game 7: 23 PTS, 15 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 4 TOV, 250% FG


Kobe was MORE CONSISTENT in giving you 25-30 points a night on 40-45% efficiency whereas LeBron had bigger highs but, much lower lows. He had two exceptional games, one good game, and three horrific games in a row. Kobe beat Boston because his game didn't depend on driving to the basket. He could maintain good enough efficiency shooting jumpers vs. an historic defense :yeshrug: whereas LeBron couldn't maintain his strategy of driving to the rim :yeshrug: ARGUE WITH YOUR MAMA!
 

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My hypothesis with Lebron is he increases his efficiency by driving to the basket at a higher rate
Because the closer you are to the basket, the higher the probability you make the shot.
This is common sense.

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The problem is this strategy gets exposed in the playoffs when defenses tighten up and don't allow those easy shots.

Lebron James career average Points in the Paint: 12.66 per game in the regular season.
Lebron James career average Points in the Paint: 13.08 per game in the playoffs.

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LeBron Stans will cling to stats and "efficiency" because they know the numbers look better on the surface but when you examine them closely, it falls apart.

My hypothesis with Lebron is he increases his efficiency by driving to the basket at a higher rate....which is proven already when you look at shooting by distance FG percentage. Lebron goes to the basket on 35% of his shots vs. Kobe's 21%. The problem is this strategy gets exposed in the playoffs when defenses tighten up and don't allow those easy shots.

Against Boston in 2010, in the first three games, LeBron averaged 32 PPG, 7 RBS, 6 AST on 54% :wow:

The last three games of the series, Lebron averaged 21 PPG, 11 RBS, 8 AST on 34% efficiency :scusthov:

Which is in line with Boston switching up how they played him.


Here's every game LeBron had vs. Boston in 2010:

Game 1: 35 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 3 STL, 2 TOV, 500% FG
Game 2: 24 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 3 STL, 5 TOV, 467% FG
Game 3: 38 PTS, 8 RBS, 7 AST, 1 STL, 1 TOV, 636% FG
Game 4: 22 PTS, 9 RBS, 8 AST, 2 STL, 7 TOV, 389% FG
Game 5: 15 PTS, 9 RBS, 8 AST, 1 STL, 3 TOV, 214% FG
Game 6: 27 PTS, 19 RBS, 10 AST, 3 STL, 9 TOV, 381% FG

Here's every game Kobe had vs. Boston in 2010:

Game 1: 30 PTS, 7 RBS, 6 AST, 1 STL, 4 TOV, 455% FG
Game 2: 21 PTS, 5 RBS, 6 AST, 4 STL, 5 TOV, 400% FG
Game 3: 29 PTS, 7 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 1 TOV, 345% FG
Game 4: 33 PTS, 6 RBS, 2 AST, 2 STL, 7 TOV, 455% FG
Game 5: 38 PTS, 5 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 4 TOV, 481% FG
Game 6: 26 PTS, 11 RBS, 3 AST, 4 STL, 2 TOV, 474% FG
Game 7: 23 PTS, 15 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 4 TOV, 250% FG


Kobe was MORE CONSISTENT in giving you 25-30 points a night on 40-45% efficiency whereas LeBron had bigger highs but, much lower lows. He had two exceptional games, one good game, and three horrific games in a row. Kobe beat Boston because his game didn't depend on driving to the basket. He could maintain good enough efficiency shooting jumpers vs. an historic defense :yeshrug: whereas LeBron couldn't maintain his strategy of driving to the rim :yeshrug: ARGUE WITH YOUR MAMA!
Show us the rosters for LeBron and Kobe.
 

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Because the closer you are to the basket, the higher the probability you make the shot.
This is common sense.

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Lebron James career average Points in the Paint: 12.66 per game in the regular season.
Lebron James career average Points in the Paint: 13.08 per game in the playoffs.


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No shyt @Remote. We know LeBron is a dunk merchant :heh:

Thanks for telling us water is wet. Now, post his shooting percentages, his free throw numbers, and his shooting by distance percentages.
 

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No shyt @Remote. We know LeBron is a dunk merchant :heh:

Thanks for telling us water is wet. Now, post his shooting percentages, his free throw numbers, and his shooting by distance percentages.
I'm struggling to understand your point here.

It seems like you think taking shots closer to the basket, where effectiveness is higher...is somehow a bad thing.

:why:
 

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and lebron played better against the 08 team and took them to 7 games by himself while kobe got embarrassed by 40


Bron played like ass, he shot 35% that series :laff: :laff: :laff: :laff: :laff: He jacked up damn near 10 3's a game and made 23% of them.

Series only went 7 because both Paul Pierce and Ray Allen also played like ass
 

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I'm struggling to understand your point here.

It seems like you think taking shots closer to the basket, where effectiveness is higher...is somehow a bad thing.

:why:


THIS GUY HAS TO BE THE DUMBEST GUY ON THE FORUM WHEN IT COMES TO DISCUSSING BASKETBALL

HE GENUINELY HAS NO AWARENESS OF HOW RIDICULOUSLY RETARDED HE SOUNDS

LIKE A 1ST GRADER SPEAKING ADVANCED CALCULUS
 

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LeBron Stans will cling to stats and "efficiency" because they know the numbers look better on the surface but when you examine them closely, it falls apart.

My hypothesis with Lebron is he increases his efficiency by driving to the basket at a higher rate....which is proven already when you look at shooting by distance FG percentage. Lebron goes to the basket on 35% of his shots vs. Kobe's 21%. The problem is this strategy gets exposed in the playoffs when defenses tighten up and don't allow those easy shots.

Against Boston in 2010, in the first three games, LeBron averaged 32 PPG, 7 RBS, 6 AST on 54% :wow:

The last three games of the series, Lebron averaged 21 PPG, 11 RBS, 8 AST on 34% efficiency :scusthov:

Which is in line with Boston switching up how they played him.


Here's every game LeBron had vs. Boston in 2010:

Game 1: 35 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 3 STL, 2 TOV, 500% FG
Game 2: 24 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 3 STL, 5 TOV, 467% FG
Game 3: 38 PTS, 8 RBS, 7 AST, 1 STL, 1 TOV, 636% FG
Game 4: 22 PTS, 9 RBS, 8 AST, 2 STL, 7 TOV, 389% FG
Game 5: 15 PTS, 9 RBS, 8 AST, 1 STL, 3 TOV, 214% FG
Game 6: 27 PTS, 19 RBS, 10 AST, 3 STL, 9 TOV, 381% FG

Here's every game Kobe had vs. Boston in 2010:

Game 1: 30 PTS, 7 RBS, 6 AST, 1 STL, 4 TOV, 455% FG
Game 2: 21 PTS, 5 RBS, 6 AST, 4 STL, 5 TOV, 400% FG
Game 3: 29 PTS, 7 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 1 TOV, 345% FG
Game 4: 33 PTS, 6 RBS, 2 AST, 2 STL, 7 TOV, 455% FG
Game 5: 38 PTS, 5 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 4 TOV, 481% FG
Game 6: 26 PTS, 11 RBS, 3 AST, 4 STL, 2 TOV, 474% FG
Game 7: 23 PTS, 15 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 4 TOV, 250% FG


Kobe was MORE CONSISTENT in giving you 25-30 points a night on 40-45% efficiency whereas LeBron had bigger highs but, much lower lows. He had two exceptional games, one good game, and three horrific games in a row. Kobe beat Boston because his game didn't depend on driving to the basket. He could maintain good enough efficiency shooting jumpers vs. an historic defense :yeshrug: whereas LeBron couldn't maintain his strategy of driving to the rim :yeshrug: ARGUE WITH YOUR MAMA!
While some valid points in terms of winning its some overlooking of Gasol's efficiency. His PER matched Kobe for that series.

For example, one of the games you're counting is a game they lost (game 5) Kobe was amazing that game, but they lost cause he didnt get much help from Gasol that game.

The last two games of the finals Gasol averaged 24/11/3/3 on 63%.. Meanwhile holding KG to just 11/4 on 41% the last two games. Which was different than when KG was putting up 20/9 on 57% vs Jamison. Jamison averaged just 7/5 the last two games. Remember Jamison was acquired to be their #2 that year. T

I remember the feeling in game 7 was if they just went to Gasol more early they wouldnt have been in such a dogfight to comeback.

The Celtics having to deal with another threat /focus in Gasol made life much easier compared to who Bron had on the Cavs.
His game score/PER were higher than Kobe's through 6 games. Gasol was the same as Kobe.

The guy who truly dominated in terms of individual play vs the Celtics was Wade, Which is why people were pissed LeBron joined him.

and lebron played better against the 08 team and took them to 7 games by himself while kobe got embarrassed by 40
Show us the rosters for LeBron and Kobe.
The Celtics when healthy were maybe the best team of that window when healthy. So there was a nothing to lose factor even though Bron shot like shyt. Still that game 7 was a classic.

In regards to the Lakers roster. Again I think the difference was Gasol. He was soft against the Celtics in 08, but the next two finals he was great. However, to be fair to Kobe I thought Artest was a liability against the Celtics and others didnt step up either.

It was truly Kobe and Gasol. Gasol was inconsistent, but highs were high.
 

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Interesting. Now explain why LeBron has a winning record AND better stats against Kobe's Lakers while having the definitively worse team pre-Miami:mjlol:.


That shyt is irrelevant and silly ESPN stat nonsense. 2 games out of 82 regular game season means nothing as it had no impact on either team or players season as they were in different conferences. Now if they were in the same conference and/or division has far more different implications and dynamic. But Playoffs is where it matters. Now put up the Lakers vs Cavs/Miami and Kobe vs LeBron playoff head to head stats?
 
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