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Black_Jesus

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Jake Donovan also said there was a guarantee. I never believed that they didn't offer him a single guarantee, that just doesn't pass the smell test for anyone with half a fukking brain :martin:
so use your brain and explain how you go from offering a guarantee in the 8 figures to $0 guarantee where Spence is claiming he not even getting a guarantee.. make it make sense
 

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so use your brain and explain how you go from offering a guarantee in the 8 figures to $0 guarantee where Spence is claiming he not even getting a guarantee.. make it make sense
yea Spence himself said that part was true. it's not about reality, it's about PBC being blameless to them
will be interesting to see if Spence gets a guarantee in his next fight, could been a 2022 budget thing. who knows

to your early post about why Bud would choose guaranteed money over higher upside with no guarantee, I saw Frank Warren say Avanesyan (his fighter) and Crawford already got their money from BLK so you were right on that. When I saw a real promoter was involved I figured Bud was going actually get his money
 

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The people backing BLK prime are probably the same "hedge fund guys" Crawford claimed offered him $25mil
I saw articles of BLK doing streaming deals far back as 2018 and the articles all mention EFC Wealth Management Retirement Planning Experts - EFC Wealth Management

Seems like BLK is a vanity project of the founder of EFC Wealth Management. Why dude not putting more money into marketing and presentation when he stands to lose money is beyond me.
 

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agreed, all these PBC PPV fights over the years always came with the reports of a guarantee purse, makes no sense one of the biggest PPVs they've put on wouldn't come with a guaranteed purse.
Additionally, Crawford and his lawyers would not have agreed to anything without a guarantee purse of some description.

If you're (aka Crawford) already concerned about being ripped off (which is at the crux of this whole negotiation breakdown between PBC/Crawford), then there's no way you'd be looking at the back end/points only. The chance/paranoia of being ripped off completely is far, far greater.

It just wouldn't go down like that.
 

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I see it like this -

Crawford - I want such and such
PBC - Nah, it isn't worth that much.
Crawford - Okay, if it isn't that, then i want to be involved in the back end.
PBC - Nah, we don't really do that.
Crawford - Well fukk ya then.

Spence (whole time) - Im cool with whatever is being negotiated.
 

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I see it like this -

Crawford - I want such and such
PBC - Nah, it isn't worth that much.
Crawford - Okay, if it isn't that, then i want to be involved in the back end.
PBC - Nah, we don't really do that.
Crawford - Well fukk ya then.

Spence (whole time) - Im cool with whatever is being negotiated.

kinda how I see it too and let's just run with this and say this angle here is 100% true, I don't fault either fighter for the fight not happening
 
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I see it like this -

Crawford - I want such and such
PBC - Nah, it isn't worth that much.
Crawford - Okay, if it isn't that, then i want to be involved in the back end.
PBC - Nah, we don't really do that.
Crawford - Well fukk ya then.

Spence (whole time) - Im cool with whatever is being negotiated.
Based on the reporting by Alan Dawson PBC gave Crawford that too though


Crawford, according to sources involved with the fight, wanted transparency regarding finances, including how much money the event generated to ensure his purse percentage (payment) was an accurate reflection of the fight's success.

"He was going to get transparency" throughout, a source told Insider, adding that Crawford made an "unusual" request to also oversee the marketing expenditure for the show.

A boxer usually does not get involved on this side, as their focus is to train and to fight, rather than to sign off on, say, $200,000 worth of expenses that could include things like press tours, free airline tickets for fighter teams, and so on.

According to a source with knowledge of the negotiation, PBC nevertheless agreed and sent Crawford an updated contract after granting his final requests.

However, Crawford never responded.

Instead, he announced an alternative deal with a niche platform called BLK Prime, and said he would be fighting David Avenesyan in December.
 
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Based on the reporting by Alan Dawson PBC gave Crawford that too though

It's clear they are trying to protect Crawford's brand.

This fight would be a huge PPV hit, meaning everyone makes money. There's no way Avanesyan makes Crawford's team more money than a Spence fight, which is potentially a multifight deal. Plus Crawford is 35, and it becomes diminishing returns for smaller weight classes past a certain age. This is more than just money - it's a legacy fight. It would tell you who is the undisputed best welterweight of their generation.

It's a shame in boxing that money and brand protection prevent the best fights from happening. This fight may not happen at any point which is a shame.
 

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It's clear they are trying to protect Crawford's brand.

This fight would be a huge PPV hit, meaning everyone makes money. There's no way Avanesyan makes Crawford's team more money than a Spence fight, which is potentially a multifight deal. Plus Crawford is 35, and it becomes diminishing returns for smaller weight classes past a certain age. This is more than just money - it's a legacy fight. It would tell you who is the undisputed best welterweight of their generation.

It's a shame in boxing that money and brand protection prevent the best fights from happening. This fight may not happen at any point which is a shame.
If PBC believed that they wouldn't be sending $0 guarantee offers.. Spence vs Crawford would have to do 750k buys for Crawford to make what he's making vs Avenesyan.. Its obviously an amount Haymon and the PBC aren't willing to guarantee since they only wanna give Bud 35%.. Crawford is content with his legacy as it is and what he's already accomplished.. thats what people don't seem to get.. They think he's supposed to be this desperate fighter with nowhere to go who's gonna take whatever they offer.. Its not the case.. If Spence and the PBC really want undisputed they're gonna have to do way better that they have so far.. They dropped the ball BIG TIME.. I know it's easier to just blame Crawford though
 

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If PBC believed that they wouldn't be sending $0 guarantee offers.. Spence vs Crawford would have to do 750k buys for Crawford to make what he's making vs Avenesyan.. Its obviously an amount Haymon and the PBC aren't willing to guarantee since they only wanna give Bud 35%.. Crawford is content with his legacy as it is and what he's already accomplished.. thats what people don't seem to get.. They think he's supposed to be this desperate fighter with nowhere to go who's gonna take whatever they offer.. Its not the case.. If Spence and the PBC really want undisputed they're gonna have to do way better that they have so far.. They dropped the ball BIG TIME.. I know it's easier to just blame Crawford though
We've posted the video where Crawford has said ad nauseam the past 3 years or so he doesn't need to fight Spence and that he feels his legacy is secure w/out the fight, we know. You're not privy to any information that nikkas don't already know.
 

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We've posted the video where Crawford has said ad nauseam the past 3 years or so he doesn't need to fight Spence and that he feels his legacy is secure w/out the fight, we know. You're not privy to any information that nikkas don't already know.
I can't tell.. you nikkas on a daily basis posting random articles about what went wrong n why we not getting the fight when it's pretty clear why the fight isn't happening, who bullshytted, and who dropped the ball
 
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