That Moment You Learn Your Ancestors Were OG c00ns

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So ancestryDNA has a feature that gives you the names of already identified ancestors from 1800s or earlier. Shadrach and Enoch Manuel from North Carolina popped up as my distant ancestors. After some google searching of those names, I found this book from 1916 that was written on them that's located in UNC Chapel Hill's library

Enoch Manuel and wife live in Dismal Township, Sampson County. He is now 70 years old. His father was Michael Manuel and lived on South River and died in 1858. Michael's father was Nicholas Manuel, a soldier in the Revolutionary War, in John Toomer's Army. His father was Ephraem Manuel. The records of Sampson County show, book 5, page 222, that in the reign of George III Benjamin Williams conveyed to Ephraim Manuel 400 acres of land, lying on the east side of Great Coharie, charging annual quit rents to His Majesty. We find another deed from Solomon Hardin to Levi Manuel, dated October 10, 1778, for 125 acres on March Branch and Miry Bottom Branch in Sampson County, consideration 50 English pounds. There are numerous other old deeds to the Manuel family on record in Sampson County. The father of Ephraim Manuel was Nickey Manuel and came from Roanoke River and claimed to be half white and half Indian. There is no trace of negro blood known to exist in the Manuel family as far back as they have any record.

Enoch Manuel says that his ancestor, Nickey Manuel, raised Matthew Leary, father of Sheridan Leary, who was killed in John Brown's insurrection at Harper's Ferry. Sheridan Leary was a brother of John S. Leary, a lawyer of Charlotte, formerly of Fayetteville, N. C. (See foot note, McPherson's Report, last page.) Sarah, wife of Enoch Manuel, whose picture appears above, was a daughter of Amos Hardin, a wheelright in Honeycutts Township, and was recognized as a Croatan Indian. This couple have seven children and numerous grandchildren. They have not intermarried with the negro race, and their children attend Shiloh Indian School in Dismal Township, of which school Enoch Manuel was the founder.

EASILY RECOGNIZED AS INDIANS
The above list of Indians will be readily recognized from their general appearance, their intelligence, the color of their eyes, their skin, their straight black hair, their facial features, their erect carriage, their clannishness, their general habits and demeanor, that they are neither white people nor negroes. They do not resemble the negroes or mulattoes, in that their
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hair is perfectly straight. They have high cheek bones, they do not have flat noses, or thick lips. Many of them have grey eyes, and often have rose tints on their cheeks. They are usually tall and erect, they are cleanly in their habits and mode of living. They are usually land owners, and more thrifty and industrious. They live and congregate in certain localities, and are clannish, and in numerous ways show the Indian traits.

THEY WERE NEVER SLAVES
These people were never slaves and from the memory of the oldest white inhabitants have always been freemen. There is no record that they ever purchased their freedom from former white men. They were never born nor sold into slavery; they were found living in this country as free and separate people as long ago as we have any record of them. In a few instances there has been some mixture of white and negro blood in them. The whites and the negroes have not been so careful in guarding against the amalgamation of those two races as have these Indians, to preserve intact and prevent their Indian blood from mixture with the other two races. In a few instances these Indians have intermarried with mulattoes, but such intermarriages have been discouraged among them, and in most cases, the parties to such marriages have been ostracised socially from the churches and schools of these Indians.



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The research available in AncestryDNA and other services show Shadrach and Nicholas were actually just mulattos whose grandfather was willed his freedom in 1718 (:wow:...I didn't even know slaves in the south were freed that early in history). They apparently married into Algonquin tribes and started claiming Native American ancestry. Either they mistakenly passed down inaccurate info...or did it willingly becoming some of the earliest known c00ns in America.
 

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So you aren't black because your relatives diluted your blood purposely
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Your family has been freed since before AmeriKKKa was a country yet you have no generational wealth established :ufdup:

And now, some company has samples of your DNA to do whatever they please with :wow:



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I'd check with another "ancestry company" to see if they give you the same results. I think they make a lot of the stuff up personally. I say that because I saw a feature about "larry david" where it said that he had native american blood

ld is the typical eastern european jewish new york guy.....whose family has been here for less than 150 years. white people married others from same ethnic group
I bet every living older relative of his is from the same country or region in europe. that native blood was found for him was a red flag that they are making this stuff up.


second locate the book in question for yourself..should be on microfilm at UNC..







3rd you don't know if the move was done to protect their status as free people....I'm assuming that certain nations(Indian tribes) were exempt from being enslaved at that point . Might have been done to protect their freedom......as Blacks had no protection under the law. Look at everything in context.
 

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I'd check with another "ancestry company" to see if they give you the same results. I think they make a lot of the stuff up personally. I say that because I saw a feature about "larry david" where it said that he had native american blood

ld is the typical eastern european jewish new york guy.....whose family has been here for less than 150 years. white people married others from same ethnic group
I bet every living older relative of his is from the same country or region in europe. that native blood was found for him was a red flag that they are making this stuff up.


second locate the book in question for yourself..should be on microfilm at UNC..







3rd you don't know if the move was done to protect their status as free people....I'm assuming that certain nations(Indian tribes) were exempt from being enslaved at that point . Might have been done to protect their freedom......as Blacks had no protection under the law. Look at everything in context.

I plan on trying one of the other DNA companies, but I'm pretty confident in these results. My brother and cousins who've also taken the test show up correctly as close relatives, 1st & 2nd cousins.

I'm only calling them c00ns in jest....their decision to pass as native americans was a pretty complex thing. They may have done so to avoid slavery, get better schools, etc.

I've already browsed through the microfilm. It was pretty jarring to see actual photos of them....I can see the relation. My uncles and I have the same jawline

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I plan on trying one of the other DNA companies, but I'm pretty confident in these results. My brother and cousins who've also taken the test show up correctly as close relatives, 1st & 2nd cousins.

I'm only calling them c00ns in jest....their decision to pass as native americans was a pretty complex thing. They may have done so to avoid slavery, get better schools, etc.

I've already browsed through the microfilm. It was pretty jarring to see actual photos of them....I can see the relation. My uncles and I have the same jawline


Good to hear. I had to ask because the coli is quick to throw any and everybody under the bus for being c**ns.
I think it was done to avoid re-enslavement. What legal rights did free Blacks have back then to prevent it? None.
 
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So you aren't black because your relatives diluted your blood purposely
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Your family has been freed since before AmeriKKKa was a country yet you have no generational wealth established :ufdup:

And now, some company has samples of your DNA to do whatever they please with :wow:



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My ancestor on my mom's side bought his own freedom (from his CAC half brother) in 1840, then bought acres of land that's still owned by my family today....:ufdup:
 

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not sure if this was supposed to be a comedy sketch, but like I said......there is NO WAY these results are right



Larry David was on that celebrity genealogy show with Louis Gates Jr. he’s Eastern European Jewish...he’s actually related to Bernie Sanders :russ:
 

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HUMBLE BRAG

If I really wanted to brag, I would have made the thread about the ancestry on my mother’s side.

My distant relative in England was knighted by King James, given a feoffment of Lismore Castle in Ireland...then pledged allegiance to Spain and tried to kill the queen. He got banished from England...his now broke son moved to VA as an indentured servent for 7 years, became a tobacco farmer, had slaves, one of which who ended up buying their own freedom...which is how I’m here :wow:


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