The Art of the Babyface

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Faces seem to be dead these days with fans appreciating tweeners more than actual babyfaces.

But back in the day, a good babyface was the ticket to successful promotions.

Why is it so hard to pull off these days? Is there a current cat still holding down the white meats? Tyler Bate? Balor?
 

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The problem really stems from the fact that the company doesn't understand what a babyface is meant to be.

Your face is meant to be the protagonist of your storyline. The audience is meant to identify with them. They carry the watcher through burgeoning conflict and resolution of conflict. But during the attitude era - where the villains were the cool guys who everyone wanted to be so the babyfaces needed to be the uncool, shytty foils - it flipped everything around and the company lacks the desire, nevermind the understanding, to loop it back rightways.

And it's unfortunate because in the political climate of the world as a whole, it would work if done right. But they are intent that a babyface has to be a nutless competitor who lacks agency and simply allows things to happen to them. And as a result, it leads to a situation where any time the crowd gets behind someone, it's when that person is a 'heel', almost solely because they want the person to have agency, but also to reject allowing things to be done to them passively. People like heel turns because it means the person is finally going to nut the fukk up. Which is stupid. Because your babyfaces should be the one out there refusing to allow shyt they disagree with. They should be the one who march up to the chickenshyt heels, tie them in knots and win the day. Not viciously or without sportsmanship, but also not...

Babyfaces these days are idiots for the most part. They have to be for the simplistic storylines major wrestling runs.

Sad thing is, when they happen on a legitimate, true face - NXT Bayley, for example - they spend so much time shytting on the character and destroying them, they become impossible to root for. So what happens? People ask for heel turns. People were calling for a heel turn for Bayley, bruh.

All it would take is for someone to debut, be good at what they do, rack up some wins, run afoul of a heel that actually operates as a proper antagonist and villain instead of trying to be smarmy and cool, and let them clash. It's writing 101. The face loses? Fine. They get up, they become better, probably without interacting with the person that beat them for a while, so when they do clash back against each other, there's excitement for it. And the face can win and the viewer can know that the setback made them stronger. It is the easiest shyt in the world. Ain't nobody ask for a Goku heel turn the first time he got his ass kicked and he fukking died. No. We got training montages. He put in the work. He came back and he wrecked shop. And motherfukkers cheered.

It isn't hard. People just don't want to do the work because why bother when you can have all the antiheroes!!!!!

Answer: Because the antihero thing only works for certain people. They tried it with Roman for ages. Never caught on. But you take your time, build that man up like someone who is good at wrestling, loses sometimes, has to dig deep and become better, even if it means falling down the card and needing to bootstrap his way back up it... then by the time he's holding that title, he damn sure isn't getting booed.

It's no coincidence that what I just wrote is the actual trajectory of the last two organic babyfaces the company made - Becky and Bryan. Also no coincidence that the WWE thought they were heels even while everyone knew they weren't.




tl;dr: Wrestling companies are still caught up in the 90s and don't have the patience or desire to make babyfaces. And it's ruining their own storytelling as a result - because it really isn't that hard.
 

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Faces seem to be dead these days with fans appreciating tweeners more than actual babyfaces.

But back in the day, a good babyface was the ticket to successful promotions.

Why is it so hard to pull off these days? Is there a current cat still holding down the white meats? Tyler Bate? Balor?
WWE is good at bullying..and promoting those characters..Braun, Bliss, heel Charlotte, Heel Sasha, making fun of Bayley for loving wrestling her whole life(same thing Foley used to brag about, same thing Edge bragged about)...

How the fukk DO YOU MESS up Bayley or push Shayna over Kari Sane? Crazy.

And holding a grudge against Rusev because he can pull Lana? What kind of gay ass, sucker rich white boy shyt is that?

And Cena..for all his make a wishes, was a BULLY SUPER FACE. What he did to Mysterio and Ryder is explanation enough.
 

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It’s more so that I don’t think promotions know how to properly book one, and I’m mostly eyeing WWE on that one. Sami Zayn and Bayley were two of the purest, most white meat baby faces ever in NXT, yet now a few years after that, Sami’s a heel while Bayley’s been in a purgatory since day one of callup while also having had the crowd really turn on her last year. They should be the shining examples against the idea that a pure face is outdated, but instead they’ve been basterized into what we have now.

In terms of current ones, the only ones to shoot to mind are Rey and Hardy, and maybe Balor or something
 

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Rey and Hardy been around for years and put their bodies on the line..they wont be getting turned on except for maybe Bryan or Joe.
 

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@Novembruh shut the thread down already, but plain and simple, WWE doesn't know how to write for babyface characters.

It's nowhere near as complex as they make it. The person just has to be someone the crowd wants to root for and see succeed in their endeavors. That's why Daniel Bryan worked so well in 2013/2014. We saw that he was being held back, we saw that WWE didn't have a lot of faith in him, and we saw that he deserved more than what he was getting. It was the classic come-up story, and Bryan was booked well as a character. He wasn't made to look like an idiot (for the most part), he didn't take anyone's shyt, and he was ready for the action when it came to him. And then he was rewarded for his efforts, like the best babyfaces should be.

Conversely, this is why Bayley hasn't worked at all for more than a year. She was roughly the same character down in NXT, but she was treated more like Bryan was when he was hot. She took losses, but she bounced back, was ready for more action, and proved that she was more than meets the eye when it came to getting shyt done. She busted her ass and got rewarded for it.

After some time of her being on RAW, that all changed. It was cool for a few months, but then they had her get embarrassed and ran through by Alexa Bliss on multiple occasions, she was made to look like a tool, and when the time came for the action, she said she wasn't ready for it. That's terrible character writing. She didn't get a chance to show any human emotions until she beat Sasha down and said she wasn't shyt. And what happens months later? The whole thing is forgotten about, her and Sasha are in pointless tag matches, and neither of them are even on the card for Survivor Series.

That's the problem with WWE. They want us to like certain people, but they don't want to put the work in to make us like them. They had a gold mine with Asuka and they destroyed her character in less than a year. They wanted us to root for Charlotte over Becky with no irony or self-awareness, and they were forced to tweak Becky's character slightly because nobody is going to boo her for a damn thing. Even now, it's not clear what alignment she's supposed to be because WWE wanted us to hate her, but because we understand what nuance and grey areas are, they're just letting her do her own thing until the wheels fall off.

TL;DR - WWE fails at writing babyface characters because they don't want them to be complex or multifaceted or act like human beings. They want them to be cookie-cutter puppets with no real personality.
 

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It's hella frustrating because they got people on their roster that can wrestle the type of scrappy style required for the foundational matches of setting up a strong babyface run.

Win a few matches. Let it get you to someone with an established 'power level' above your own. Hold your own. Eventually lose but have it not be a complete asskicking.

Do not rematch that person ad nauseum.

Dip out. Win some matches against other people without entering the sphere of influence of the heel they lost to.

Have that heel continue to dominate in their own rights.

Maybe throw your face into a couple tags if you want to diversify the person's options. Hell. Do that. Go on a tag run with someone just below their level so you tell the crowd who the Shawn and who the Marty are.
Run into the person who beat your establishing babyface in the tag scene.
Set the match so its them vs. the person who beat them down the stretch, without them going one-on-one before that moment.

The face gets the win for the team.

(This is already building them up toward a noticeable conflict, but also letting the viewer know that the road to redemption actually started a while ago, and they've been on the ride without even noticing)

Build to a singles match with the person who last beat them off of the back of that tag match.

They win that match. Clean.

No 50/50 booking, no getting the win back, the face overcame and now moves on to a new trial.

You've just told a story of setback and retribution. And it could all literally be done during the cycle between the big 4 shows. Easy.

And in this, you've taken someone from say... an Almas-losing-to-Hardy level, to say... a ready-to-go-after-secondary-title level.

And again. It's literally the fukking basics of how to tell a coherent storyline. This is shyt we as writers are taught to do for the first arc in a three-arc structure for fukk's sake.
 

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Simple answer (as far as WWE goes): they don't know how to write faces. All faces are dipshyts and idiots who give you no reason to actually root for them. And if they do have something the fans can latch on to, the writing staff takes put their vendetta with the crowd on the face by having them clown on their primary characteristic until they make it clear that only an idiot would still like this person.

The way they had Alexa shyt on Bayley last year was a perfect example. It was uncomfortable because they were shytting on that woman's clear lifelong fandom and dream just so they could make a blatant attempt to shyt on their own fanbase's fandom via storyline.

Also doesn't help that unless it's a random Raw infinity rematch, they're deathly afraid of clean finishes. So faces look like idiots when they lose because of some Wile E Coyote shyt. It's okay for someone to take a clean loss as long as it pays off in a logical way later. Hell, almost all of the notable face runs are built off a crucial loss they had to come back from. This shyt ain't rocket science.
 

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The only way this company knows how to build a hugely over babyface is either by accident or despite themselves, similar to Stone Cold, Becky Lynch, Daniel Bryan, The Rock, etc. A lot of them got over in a big way despite being booked to be heels.


All the other faces they have are forced and/or always getting weak responses. I can't take their booking too seriously anymore.
 

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But back in the day, a good babyface was the ticket to successful promotions.
Back in the day, American culture was very different. A hero was a tough guy from the working class who stood up to the bullies of the world. Today, people think Mark Zuckerberg is a hero. Or they did, until recently. A hero is some a$$hole who writes a great app and retires at 25. The fat guy who made Minecraft. A funny twitter account.

Basically, a show about fighting is gonna have a tough time reaching the mainstream 21st century audience without intricate knowledge of internet culture.

In other words, Big E should be the guy. Wonder why he isn't.:mjpls:
 

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No one wants to cheer a feckless, emasculated idiot.

The heels aren't even old-school Four Horsemen type heels. They're just characters with agency who react logically. Sometimes they're dikks in pursuit of their goals. So... are all humans.

The heels became grey, so in order to oppose them, the faces became ineffectual dipshyts. If the heels became villainous, heinous awful motherfukkers who ruined things fans wanted to see, who ran from actual challenges, who took things too far and set out to injure people without cause... well. I mean. The person who stopped that vile motherfukker would get love, no? It's what happened when Bryan beat Triple H. Despite what they wanted, it's what happened when Becky beat Charlotte. But they're so goddamned tone deaf, they can't see what they are actually doing that works. Or they're too stubborn to want to change because... well.

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