The Black Community is Not Matriarchal

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I was on Wiki and came across this article...thought it made sense.....thots?

Matrifocal family - Wikipedia
The concept of the matrifocal family was introduced to the study of Caribbean societies by Raymond Smith in 1956. He linked the emergence of matrifocal families with how households are formed in the region: "The household group tends to be matri-focal in the sense that a woman in the status of 'mother' is usually the de facto leader of the group, and conversely the husband-father, although de jure head of the household group (if present), is usually marginal to the complex of internal relationships of the group. By 'marginal' we mean that he associates relatively infrequently with the other members of the group, and is on the fringe of the effective ties which bind the group together".[1] Smith emphasises that a matrifocal family is not simply woman-centred, but rather mother-centred; women in their role as mothers become key to organising the family group; men tend to be marginal to this organisation and to the household (though they may have a more central role in other networks). Where matrifocal families are common, marriage is less common.[2] In later work, Smith tends to emphasise the household less, and to see matrifocality more in terms of how the family network forms with mothers as key nodes in the network. Throughout, Smith argues that matrifocal kinship should be seen as a subsystem wthin a larger stratified society and its cultural values.[3] He increasingly emphasises how the Afro-Caribbean matrifocal family is best understood within of a class-race hierarchy where marriage is connected to perceived status and prestige.[4]

"A family or domestic group is matrifocal when it is centred on a woman and her children. In this case the father(s) of these children are intermittently present in the life of the group and occupy a secondary place. The children's mother is not necessarily the wife of one of the children's fathers."[5] In general, according to Laura Hobson Herlihy citing P. Mohammed, women have "high status" if they are "the main wage earners", they "control ... the household economy", and males tend to be absent.[6] Men'/s absences are often of long durations.[7] One of R. T. Smith's contemporary critics, M. G. Smith, notes that while households may appear matrifocal taken by themselves, the linkages between households may be patrifocal. That is, a man in his role as father may be providing (particularly economic) support to a mother in one or more households whether he lives in that household or not. Both for men and for women having children with more than one partner is a common feature of this kind of system.[8]

Alternative terms for 'matrifocal' or 'matrifocality' include matricentric, matripotestal, and women-centered kinship networks.[9]

The matrifocal is distinguished from the matrilocal, the matrilineal, matrilateral and matriarchy (the last because matrifocality does not imply that women have power in the larger community).

Characteristics and distribution[edit]
According to anthropologist Maurice Godelier, matrifocality is "typical of Afro-Caribbean groups" and some African-American communities.[10] These include families in which a father has a wife and one or more mistresses; in a few cases, a mother may have more than one lover.[10] Matrifocality was also found, according to Rasmussen per Herlihy, among the Tuareg people in northern Africa;,[11] according to Herlihy citing other authors, in some Mediterraneancommunities;[7] and, according to Herlihy quoting Scott, in urban Brazil.[12] In their study of family life in Bethnal Green, London, during the 1950s, Young and Wilmott found both matrifocal and matrilineal elements at work: mothers were a focus for distributing economic resources through the family network; they were also active in passing down the rights to tenancies in matrilineal succession to their daughters.[13]

Herlihy found matrifocality among the Miskitu people, in the village of Kuri, on the Caribbean coast of northeastern Honduras in the late 1990s.[14] According to Herlihy, the "main power"[9] of Kuri women lies "in their ability to craft everyday social identities and kinship relations .... Their power lies beyond the scope of the Honduran state, which recognizes male surnames and males as legitimate heads of households."[9] Herlihy found in Kuri a trend toward matriliny[15] and a correlation with matrilineality,[16] while some patriarchal norms also existed.[16] Herlihy found that the "women knew more than most men about village histories, genealogies, and local folklore"[15] and that "men typically did not know local kinship relations, the proper terms of reference, or reciprocity obligations in their wife's family"[15] and concluded that Miskitu women "increasingly assume responsibility for the social reproduction of identities and ultimately for preserving worldwide cultural and linguistic diversity".[17] The Nair community in Kerala and the Bunt community in Tulunadu in South India are prime examples of matrifocality.[citation needed] This can be attributed to the fact that if males were largely warriors by profession, a community was bound to lose male members at youth, leading to a situation where the females assumed the role of running the family.[citation needed].

History[edit]
In the 14th century, in Jiangnan, South China, under Mongol rule by the Yuan dynasty, Kong Qi kept a diary of his view of some families as practicing gynarchy, not defined as it is in major dictionaries[18][19][20][21] but defined by Paul J. Smith as "the creation of short-term family structures dominated by women"[22] and not as matrilineal or matriarchal.[22] The gynarchy possibly could be passed down through generations.[23] According to Paul J. Smith, it was to this kind of gynarchy that "Kong ascribed...the general collapse of society"[22] and Kong believed that men in Jiangnan tended to "forfeit...authority to women".[24]

Matrifocality arose, Godelier said, in some Afro-Caribbean and African American cultures as a consequence of enslavement of thousands.[10] Slaves were forbidden to marry and their children belonged to the slavemasters.[10] Women in slave families "often" sought impregnation by White masters so the children would have lighter skin color and be more successful in life,[10] lessening the role of Black husbands. Some societies, particularly Western European, allow women to enter the paid labor force or receive government aid and thus be able to afford to raise children alone[10] while some other societies "oppose ... [women] living on their own."[10]:mjpls:

In feminist belief (more common in the 1970s than in the 1990s–2000s and criticized within feminism and within archaeology, anthropology, and theology as lacking a scholarly basis), there was a "matrifocal (if not matriarchal) Golden Age" before patriarchy.[25]
cac bs or are they on to something:patrice:
keep in mind this theory applies mostly to Caribbean households and only to a lesser extent to African Americans.

I remember hearing Malcolm Gladwell mention something about this about Jamaican communities
 

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Your family is from Caribbean, correct?
Out of any 10 men over 35 that you know from where your family is from, how many would you say have children from more than one woman?

I was doing the calculations in my head and it came to around 7 out of ten...and those are the ones living in USA...gotta imagine it's closer to 9 out of 10 back home.

Some of it starts to make sense.
 

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Dip,
Your family is from Caribbean, correct?
Out of any 10 men over 35 that you know from where your family is from, how many would you say have children from more than one woman?

I was doing the calculations in my head and it came to around 7 out of ten...and those are the ones living in USA...gotta imagine it's closer to 9 out of 10 back home.

Some of it starts to make sense.
:mjgrin:none of my family members that live in the islands are married but most have children
my family is large enough that I can be for sure who and who doesn't have children with multiple women.....most i would say have multiple children with the same person...both my grandfathers have "other" families:mjgrin:
i know my breh @ZoeGod can talk about secret families
 

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:mjgrin:none of my family members* that live in the islands are married but most have children
my family is large enough that I can be for sure who and who doesn't have children with multiple women.....most i would say have multiple children with the same person...both my grandfathers have "other" families:mjgrin:
i know my breh @ZoeGod can talk about secret families

What I meant was ANY 10 men from your nationality/culture......

Out of just ten that you know...how many have kids with more than one woman......


Nobody's married? Y'all don't jump the broom over there?
a joke *I wouldn't ask you to put your family's business on front street like that.
 

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Judging from real experiences, I would say it's accurate. All my uncle's save for one, have kids wiith at least 3 different women. I have half siblings on both sides
Usually men would go out of town or island hop for work and send money back while starting a family where ever there at, at the moment.
Speaking of half siblings, one of my brothers has over 40kids(recently found out) in London but he's of caribbean descend

It's unfortunate that people who self hate, bedwench for lighter features but its not cac propaganda... Some caribbean folks like talking about how mix up they are.
 

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What I meant was ANY 10 men from your nationality/culture......

Out of just ten that you know...how many have kids with more than one woman......


Nobody's married? Y'all don't jump the broom over there?
a joke *I wouldn't ask you to put your family's business on front street like that.
i would say 5 out of ten:ehh:
almost all the ones that were married are divorced
 

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But black women clearly do possess the larger power within the contemporary black community, hence a matriarchy.

The matrifocal is distinguished from the matrilocal, the matrilineal, matrilateral and matriarchy (the last because matrifocality does not imply that women have power in the larger community).

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