The Case for Single Player Campaigns and why we as gamers need them....

[ORDER_66]

Let me start off saying what i might say, might offend you piss you off, question your place in the coli hierarchy, and that's cool... but I have some serious questions and i got to get it off my chest.

Going into next gen was gonna be a wonderful thing, even if im getting older and growing up. Thinking more about my mortality but i digress. I just want to say if this is the begining of the next generation of consoles and these games I am seriously not impressed.

I'm not a PC gamer, I'm a console gamer tried and true. I remember never beating SMBS3 and playing double dragon on my nes, and spending the whole day over my cousin's house to beat mike tyson's punch out. Then i copped a genesis and the N64 and Playstation 1 and etc, etc....

But as time went on the games, they grew up too, they had oscar caliber, pulitzer prize winning writers behind them shaping a narrative to draw players into their world, immersing themselves into it.

I remember playing the first Metal Gear Solid on PS1, great fukking game, but I also remember the story... which was great too, intrigue, mysticism, war, chaos, conspiracies, and enemies that you never forget. Gears of War. MGS2&3, Halo, Uncharted, God Of War Series...

Games story has come along way. I see alot of arguing in the arcadium saying story doesnt matter?

What the fukk??? Story is the absolute crux of the main character's motivations and reasons why they are fighting. I gave the three stooges that work cause they was going on about titanfall, but they was so blinded by the hype machine they never realized that the game flopped. WHY you ask? No single player campaign story.

And now history repeats itself with the extremely divisive Destiny, made by bungie...

There is a core of gamers out there that appreciate a grand story in a grand universe. We saw what happened with the backlash on the initial mass effect 3 ending. as we can see story matters...

Yeah you might say there's a story behind destiny, but from what i seen in the beta, it's barebones. no one should be required to grind and level up in an MMO/RPG like fashion to unlock the story of the game.

Destiny should have split the game into two parts a disc containing an offline / optional single player story campaign and a 2nd disc with the mmo online world.

Why did they not think there was gonna be a certain segment of gamers that was gonna be unhappy with the way the game turned out, did they not understand why titanfall was flopping?

This idea of online only shooters with no single player campaign should be abolished... The gamers still care about story and lore and set pieces and cast of characters that are amazing.

I WANT THIS MESSAGE TO BE SPREAD ABOUT ON THE INTERNET TO THE DEV'S AND PUBLISHER OF THESE NEXT GEN GAMES, IF YOU INTEND TO MAKE THESE NEW GAMES BE PREPARED TO FACE THE CRITISM AND BACKLASH YOU RECEIVE BY DOING A HALF ASS JOB. MAKE SOMETHING WORTH PLAYING $60 plus online, plus DLC's...

I just want that to get that off my chest, I dont really know what else to say but i am truly disappointed in the way destiny & titanfall turned out... IT's like these dev's truly dont give a fukk about their core audience anymore...

 

[Ciggavelli]

dap and rep

100% agree.

I need a good story. And I hate this trend of MP only with no story

We need single player campaigns.


Thanks god for RPGs and action/adventure games

 

[AkaDemiK]

How many online shooters are there with no separate campaigns/story mode.....I count 2 (titanfall and destiny)....that's it....2.....dos. Halo, cod, battlefield, killzone, crysis, far cry, wolfenstein all have a story/campaign mode separate from the multiplayer. You're seriously upset about two games having a different approach to multiplayer and story by blending the two of them? Since day 1 both Titanfall and Destiny were described as they were shipped, neither company promised a separate single player mode for either game....these games were designed from the concept room, day 1 to exactly how you got them on the disc...so how the fukk can you say these companies are half-assing shyt, when their goal was to deliver the product in a specific way? you knew what you were getting with both, but you still choose to complain, makes no sense. Destiny isnt your generic shooter, it's a fusion of fps gameplay with mmo-esque features....what mmo game do you know that doesn't blend multiplayer and story together?

there are still single player only games being made and games with sp and mp separate.....let these two companies live...they want to take a different route and i applaud em for it.....you don't like it...don't play it nikka....there's A LOT of other shooters you can play to satisfy your single player needs.

 

[ORDER_66]

How many online shooters are there with no separate campaigns/story mode.....I count 2 (titanfall and destiny)....that's it....2.....dos. Halo, cod, battlefield, killzone, crysis, far cry, wolfenstein all have a story/campaign mode separate from the multiplayer. You're seriously upset about two games having a different approach to multiplayer and story by blending the two of them? Since day 1 both Titanfall and Destiny were described as they were shipped, neither company promised a separate single player mode for either game....these games were designed from the concept room, day 1 to exactly how you got them on the disc...so how the fukk can you say these companies are half-assing shyt, when their goal was to deliver the product in a specific way? you knew what you were getting with both, but you still choose to complain, makes no sense. Destiny isnt your generic shooter, it's a fusion of fps gameplay with mmo-esque features....what mmo game do you know that doesn't blend multiplayer and story together?

there are still single player only games being made and games with sp and mp separate.....let these two companies live...they want to take a different route and i applaud em for it.....you don't like it...don't play it nikka....there's A LOT of other shooters you can play to satisfy your single player needs.

I didnt buy destiny.....

But as a fan of bungie. I expected more and im not the only one here thinking that. alot of us expected more. The more dev's shortchange us the worst it will get

DO NOT MAKE fukkING EXCUSES FOR THEM!!!!

We cannot allow these game companies to short change us and expect us to eb alright with it. I have a legitimate concern. Because if this is gonna be prevalent in the gaming future i might as well sell my console now and just quit altogether...

 

[AkaDemiK]

I didnt buy destiny.....

But as a fan of bungie. I expected more and im not the only one here thinking that. alot of us expected more. The more dev's shortchange us the worst it will get

DO NOT MAKE fukkING EXCUSES FOR THEM!!!!

We cannot allow these game companies to short change us and expect us to eb alright with it. I have a legitimate concern. Because if this is gonna be prevalent in the gaming future i might as well sell my console now and just quit altogether...

fam....how did they shortchange us?

If I tell you that I am going to give you $100 on sunday and when that day comes I give you an envelope...you open it and see $100...one would expect you to be happy...however, you're upset...because you expected more from me...you were thinking maybe it's a possibility I may give you $150-200 dollars....but...that wasn't the deal...that was never my intentions....you knew how much you were going to get from day 1....it was always going to be $100....yet you're going around telling everyone how I didnt give you everything, I held back....

that's bungie and destiny in a nutshell. They never said SP and MP would be separate...they never said the story portion of teh game would play out like other shooter, they had a vision for a new kind of FPS game and that's what they went out and made. they told us a year ago what it was, how it would play and the type of content we would be getting.....so why are you surprised? why are you disappointed?

either you like their approach to thhis FPS/MMO/RPG game they made or you don't...but you can't say they half-assed it when you got exactly what they promised...

again, it's two games out of MANY that have tried a new approach to storytelling and multiplayer....and I don't see any other games announced that are planning on doing similar things....you'll be fine..

 

[ORDER_66]

fam....how did they shortchange us?

If I tell you that I am going to give you $100 on sunday and when that day comes I give you an envelope...you open it and see $100...however, you're upset...because you expected more from me...you were thinking maybe it's a possibility I may give you $150-200 dollars....but...that wasn't the deal...that was never my intentions....you knew how much you were going to get from day 1....it was always going to be $100....yet you're going aroudn telling everyone how I didnt give you everything, I held back....

that's bungie and destiny in a nutshell. They never said SP and MP would be separate...they had a vision for a new kind of FPS game and that's what they went out and made. they told us a year ago what it was, how it would play and the type of content we would be getting.....so why are you surprised? why are you disappointed?

either you like their approach to thhis FPS/MMO/RPG game they made or you don't...but you can't say they half-assed it when you got exactly what they promised...

again, it's two games out of MANY that have tried a new approach to storytelling and multiplayer....and I don't see any other games announced that are planning on doing similar things....you'll be fine..

Sigh..... Your still making excuses for them... They had an embargo over early reviews because they knew the criticism was coming... I feel like they shortchanged alot of people. They said one thing and did something else. They did not specify whether the game was or would have a single player campaign but they steadfastedly denied it was an mmo. it's a fukking mmo for christsakes!

I didnt buy destiny but i was looking forward to buying it and then i played the beta and was like wtf is this bullshyt??? Is this what nikkas gonna rock for 2014?!?!

I was expecting a mass effect style game where we go in this grand adventure with this epic storyline about saving the galaxy and look and what it is.... its garbage...

but i voted with my wallet... i learned...

 

[AkaDemiK]

@ORDER_66

not making excuses for em....I don't own the game...I have no stake in this...I thought it was going to be similar to ME as well as far as the campaign went....I played the Beta and decided to not cop it...moving on...

 

[Truth Hurts]

How many online shooters are there with no separate campaigns/story mode.....I count 2 (titanfall and destiny)....that's it....2.....dos. Halo, cod, battlefield, killzone, crysis, far cry, wolfenstein all have a story/campaign mode separate from the multiplayer. You're seriously upset about two games having a different approach to multiplayer and story by blending the two of them? Since day 1 both Titanfall and Destiny were described as they were shipped, neither company promised a separate single player mode for either game....these games were designed from the concept room, day 1 to exactly how you got them on the disc...so how the fukk can you say these companies are half-assing shyt, when their goal was to deliver the product in a specific way? you knew what you were getting with both, but you still choose to complain, makes no sense. Destiny isnt your generic shooter, it's a fusion of fps gameplay with mmo-esque features....what mmo game do you know that doesn't blend multiplayer and story together?

there are still single player only games being made and games with sp and mp separate.....let these two companies live...they want to take a different route and i applaud em for it.....you don't like it...don't play it nikka....there's A LOT of other shooters you can play to satisfy your single player needs.

You forgot Diablo 3 and im still pised at Blizz for doing that shyt

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I have no problem with a game not having a campaign. The multiplayer needs to be really good though.

 

[ORDER_66]

I have no problem with a game not having a campaign. The multiplayer needs to be really good though.

and you dont get bored of repetitive multiplayer??? because thats all im seeing as part of the criticism

 

[Killer Instinct]

Single player, story driven games are pretty much the only titles I care to own besides 2K.
I only truly care about MP when it comes to sports titles.
99% of my purchases are based on the story, the quality of said story, and the length.
Never cared a single iota about co-op or FPS. I just rarely touch it. I only played Mass Effect 3's MP because it was required to get the "best" ending.
I didn't like that and they eventually went back and tried to correct it.
However, I don't necessarily see an epidemic of sorts arising, though.
Yeah, some games make an emphasis to shoe horn sub-par MP on a title that doesn't need it (Tomb Raider) but in the same breath, the campaign didn't suffer. You still have various titles coming out that are centered around the single player experience.
The Witcher.
Batman.
Silent Hills in the next couple years.
Evil Within.
The Order.
TLOU was great. Dragon Age coming soon.
The Walking Dead. The Wolf Among Us.
Your concerns are understandable but at this juncture, I think premature.
Just try to do your homework before purchasing. It's been my approach for awhile.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

and you dont get bored of repetitive multiplayer??? because thats all im seeing as part of the criticism

Depends on the game. Some games are just fun/competitive enough to make you keep coming back.


And Titanfall did not flop don't know why to keep repeating that nonsense

 

[ORDER_66]

Single player, story driven games are pretty much the only titles I care to own besides 2K.
I only truly care about MP when it comes to sports titles.
99% of my purchases are based on the story, the quality of said story, and the length.
Never cared a single iota about co-op or FPS. I just rarely touch it. I only played Mass Effect 3's MP because it was required to get the "best" ending.
I didn't like that and they eventually went back and tried to correct it.
However, I don't necessarily see an epidemic of sorts arising, though.
Yeah, most games make an emphasis to shoe horn sub-par MP on a title that doesn't need it (Tomb Raider) but in the same breathe, the campaign didn't suffer. You still have various titles coming out that are centered around the single player experience.
The Witcher.
Batman.
TLOU was great in that regard. Dragon Age coming soon.
The Walking Dead. The wolf Among Us.
Your concerns are understandable but at this juncture, I think premature.
Just try to do your homework before purchasing. It's been my approach for awhile.

Yeah I feel you...

But im saying as a Triple AAA gaming company these two have failed... And if this is what we're gonna get in the future we should be worried. It seems like they just doing it to make a buck, not giving a fukk on why they even invented the game anymore. Like baseball without the soul...

 

[ORDER_66]

Depends on the game. Some games are just fun/competitive enough to make you keep coming back.


And Titanfall did not flop don't know why to keep repeating that nonsense

Titanfall didnt flop???? Well it surely didnt live up to the "hype" as they say from my perspective, friend...

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Titanfall didnt flop???? Well it surely didnt live up to the "hype" as they say from my perspective, friend...

The "hype" was that it is a great multiplayer shooter and the evolution of COD style multiplayer.

It met and exceeded that hype