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The Coming Fall of American Empire
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just playing the conversation out in my head and picturing Trump's face
Red Shield
Global Domination
Sir Glubb's The Fate of Empires..
The usa became an empire sometime in the 19th century. It didn't become THE global empire until after WW2. So the usa has had a long day...
My eyes rolled so damn hard at those last few paragraphs
Man wants history to remember the empire of chaos more fondly... that shyt won't be happening.
There will be plenty of positives... but this "America will have to have a vision on prioritizing the needs of the country and the economy will actually be reinvigorated." Not happening. This country is primed to break apart.
The usa became an empire sometime in the 19th century. It didn't become THE global empire until after WW2. So the usa has had a long day...
My eyes rolled so damn hard at those last few paragraphs
Man wants history to remember the empire of chaos more fondly... that shyt won't be happening.
There will be plenty of positives... but this "America will have to have a vision on prioritizing the needs of the country and the economy will actually be reinvigorated." Not happening. This country is primed to break apart.
Ol’Otis
The Picasso of the Ghetto
All empire falls
I do. find me a successful implementation of communism where this didn't derail "ideal" communism?Do you even know what communism is?
this isn't even the topic of the thread tho
southpawstyle
Superstar
No. Any semblance of socialist societies between the 60's and 90's were stomped out by America's faux-capitalist agenda that favored corporate monopolies instead of a real free market. American imperialism, and unfettered capitalism will inevitably lead to unrest.
ORDER_66
I am The Wrench in all your plans....
This was bound to happen sooner or later...
China is developing light speed photon communication tchnology,
MEAN FUVKING WHILE THE FCC AND AJIT PAI WANTS CABLE COMPANIES WANTS THE ISPS TO CHARGE CUSTOMERS MORE FOR INTERNET ACCESS AND THROTTLE USERS SLOWING THEIR DATA SPEEDS IF THEY DONT PAY THE TOLLS!!!! GTFOH!!!!
THRSE CORRUPT a$$holeS ARE KEEPING US IN THE fukkING STONE AGE, WE ARE LOOSING!!!! THEIR GREED IS KILLING US
China is developing light speed photon communication tchnology,
MEAN FUVKING WHILE THE FCC AND AJIT PAI WANTS CABLE COMPANIES WANTS THE ISPS TO CHARGE CUSTOMERS MORE FOR INTERNET ACCESS AND THROTTLE USERS SLOWING THEIR DATA SPEEDS IF THEY DONT PAY THE TOLLS!!!! GTFOH!!!!
THRSE CORRUPT a$$holeS ARE KEEPING US IN THE fukkING STONE AGE, WE ARE LOOSING!!!! THEIR GREED IS KILLING US
I agree with most of the OP. Obviously won't be all bad in the least, but it is certainly true that the fallout could be worse than the disease. Either way, maintaining status quo was going to lead to ruin.
How does China fit in here?
Family Man
Banned
I read something this week that was published by the Pentagon that said the same thing. Their solution? Do more of the same except intensify it. 
the real question is, is such domination or hegemony needed as much as the traditional drivers wane? There will always be alliances for resources and defense. That's not just going to go away and will evolve. Is the middle east anywhere close to important to us as it used to be? As it becomes more important to China, and Russia that can be their headache. Defense-wise, there will always be those who want to align. That power is not going away. If current battery tech continues on its current path, could see central Africa becoming that next spot. Wish those countries would protect those resources themselves and make their money off of it, but I'm sure the Chinese will dominate it. Other than that, The US will not spend less. China may spend more later, but then that's their headache. I still don't think that's the direction of the world. Especially as extraction tech and trade alliances evolve. Leverage is becoming a matter of costs controlled by business people who have less and less need for national governments. This I think is the next real struggle at that level. Militaries evolve and the hot resource changes, but what has continued to grow is commerce. Will governments that want to control it all allow their industries to grow or will they seek control.
Red Shield
Global Domination
I read something this week that was published by the Pentagon that said the same thing. Their solution? Do more of the same except intensify it.
I think we read the same thing
The vast percentage of empires that are at their end always make that same mistake.
GnauzBookOfRhymes
Superstar
The days of the US Hyperpower are by definition coming to a close only because other countries are rising and you have super "states" like the E.U. that can compete with the US economically. But the only reason I would disagree with the OP's premise is that many of the present weaknesses listed are in fact reversible. Even after wasting (I originally used the word "spending" but had to change it) trillions in Iraq/Afghanistan, the country isn't broke. Right now the US has a very acute domestic political problem. We are unable to rationally govern ourselves. If (and admittedly it's a big IF) we had a government that was capable of actually governing and addressing long term issues, rather than limping from one short term crises to another, I don't think the future would look so bleak.
The one metric I would keep an eye out for is the desire for is the extent to which people around the world are still drawn to the US. That to me would be a very clear indication that the US has truly lost its place in the world.
The one metric I would keep an eye out for is the desire for is the extent to which people around the world are still drawn to the US. That to me would be a very clear indication that the US has truly lost its place in the world.
Nascimento
swohz
It's a return to the norm. Taking a long view, on the scale of millennia, China and India have been the centers of economic activity and progress in the world.
I think this stems from differing philosophies on what it is to live and work as a human and how to conduct oneself, leading to fundamentally different mentalities. On the one hand in the East you have Confucianism, where civil service, and thinking of the greater good is virtuous, and as such relatively speaking more grounded in rationality, relatively speaking. On the other hand, in the West you have Christian philosophy as the base where guilt and shame weirdly serve as the cornerstones, with humans viewed as naturally weak and fallible and needing to be ruled and controlled -- a philosophy that lends itself to wielding and consolidating power simply for its own sake, with no explicit regard for general welfare of the citizenry.
Actually, I guess you could say that one way of living, and by extension governing, is based in philosophy while the other is based in religion, with outcomes to match.
I think this stems from differing philosophies on what it is to live and work as a human and how to conduct oneself, leading to fundamentally different mentalities. On the one hand in the East you have Confucianism, where civil service, and thinking of the greater good is virtuous, and as such relatively speaking more grounded in rationality, relatively speaking. On the other hand, in the West you have Christian philosophy as the base where guilt and shame weirdly serve as the cornerstones, with humans viewed as naturally weak and fallible and needing to be ruled and controlled -- a philosophy that lends itself to wielding and consolidating power simply for its own sake, with no explicit regard for general welfare of the citizenry.
Actually, I guess you could say that one way of living, and by extension governing, is based in philosophy while the other is based in religion, with outcomes to match.