The Concealed-Carry Fantasy

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/2...y-fantasy.html?referer=http://digg.com./&_r=0

The more that sensational gun violence afflicts the nation, the more that the myth of the vigilant citizen packing a legally permitted concealed weapon, fully prepared to stop the next mass shooter in his tracks, is promoted.

This foolhardy notion of quick-draw resistance, however, is dramatically contradicted by a research project showing that, since 2007, at least 763 people have been killed in 579 shootings that did not involve self-defense. Tellingly, the vast majority of these concealed-carry, licensed shooters killed themselves or others rather than taking down a perpetrator.

The death toll includes 29 mass killings of three or more people by concealed carry shooters who took 139 lives; 17 police officers shot to death, and — in the ultimate contradiction of concealed carry as a personal safety factor — 223 suicides. Compared with the 579 non-self-defense, concealed-carry shootings, there were only 21 cases in which self-defense was determined to be a factor.

The tally by the Violence Policy Center, a gun safety group, is necessarily incomplete because the gun lobby has been so successful in persuading gullible state and national legislators that concealed carry is essential to public safety, thus blocking the extensive data collection that should be mandatory for an obvious and severe public health problem. For that reason, the center has been forced to rely largely on news accounts and limited data in 38 states and the District of Columbia.

More complete research, unimpeded by the gun lobby, would undoubtedly uncover a higher death toll. But this truly vital information is kept largely from the public. A Gallup poll this month found 56 percent of Americans said the nation would be safer if more people carried concealed weapons.

Clearly, concealed carry does not transform ordinary citizens into superheroes. Rather, it compounds the risks to innocent lives, particularly as state legislatures, bowing to the gun lobby, invite more citizens to venture out naïvely with firearms in more and more public places, including restaurants, churches and schools.

College campuses are the latest goal for the gun lobby — a perverse marketing campaign after the gun massacre that took 10 lives this month at a community college in Oregon.

Recent concealed-carry excesses include legal shooters charged by the police with recklessly pegging a few wild shots at shoplifters and other nonviolent suspects they see fleeing on public streets. This is dangerous vigilantism that endangers communities, the police warn, not the mythic self-defense being peddled as concealed carry.
 

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Great post. I know a lot of gun nuts and was wondering what the actual statistic for "self defense" vs accidental shootings were.
Everyone that has a CCP has this John Wayne fantasy where they will be able to identify a target and hit it despite the chaos that comes with a public shooting :beli:
 

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Great post. I know a lot of gun nuts and was wondering what the actual statistic for "self defense" vs accidental shootings were.
Everyone that has a CCP has this John Wayne fantasy where they will be able to identify a target and hit it despite the chaos that comes with a public shooting :beli:


Plus you can get shot yourself by the police. How are they supposed to know you are the good guy?
 

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Great post. I know a lot of gun nuts and was wondering what the actual statistic for "self defense" vs accidental shootings were.
Everyone that has a CCP has this John Wayne fantasy where they will be able to identify a target and hit it despite the chaos that comes with a public shooting :beli:
lol abc, I think it was 20/20, did a thing on that, with real scenarios, the ccp's shot innocents, got shot or hid:lolbron:
yeah all we need are more good guys with guns:troll:
 

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Article makes a few good points. Motherfukkers should not be shooting at shoplifters. Firearms also do not need to be in restaurants :yeshrug: These clowns walking with their ARs over their backs into restaurants and malls should probably be checked :yeshrug:

I can agree with reforms on those fronts.
 
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Perhaps i missed it but how many times was a person with a ccp on the scene of the mass shootings? also does anyone truly believe only carrying the license and weapon is adequate? Gotta have that real world scenario training that the $49 cwp special does not come with.
 

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there was a gun owner at the last mall shooting and his ass just hid on the second floor. there was a gun owner at the tucson gabby giffords shooting and the carnage happened so fast that all he could do was help tackle the shooter when he was reloading. a lot of gun owners are living in a fantasy land. the shooter has all the advantages because people are not on guard duty, they are thinking about pumpkin spice lattes in line at the coffee shop right before the craziness pops off. you would need some spidey senses to prevent innocent deaths
 

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there was a gun owner at the last mall shooting and his ass just hid on the second floor. there was a gun owner at the tucson gabby giffords shooting and the carnage happened so fast that all he could do was help tackle the shooter when he was reloading. a lot of gun owners are living in a fantasy land. the shooter has all the advantages because people are not on guard duty, they are thinking about pumpkin spice lattes in line at the coffee shop right before the craziness pops off. you would need some spidey senses to prevent innocent deaths
basically:ehh:
 
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