THE DEFIANT ONES: HBO/Dr. Dre & Jimmy Iovine Docuseries (July 9th - 12th)

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re'up said:
The parts I watched, which included a good Suge Knight story, of him gluttonously ordering dish after dish, while telling Harry O's wife, he was on his way to the meeting, the 2pac introduction, it's all very well done, and nicely put together. When it came to shots of Dre on a private jet, staring pensively into the sky, I had to cut it off. I love the value of the production, but this is pure propaganda, or too much for my taste, Iovine looks like a creep, and Dre has never been a favorite of mine on any level, though his contributions are to be respected.
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Puffy's documentary was a bigger propaganda piece imo.. He really showed himself as a flawless hustler. His only character flaw was having too much ambition.

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At least Dre showed some of his warts on this project..
 
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Lol that sounds like Puff, "if anything I hustled too hard, that's my biggest regret", or vice versa, that would be a chore to sit through. These are so glamorized and sanitized, I also think I just dislike Dre, he comes off so insincere, and has always been such a bytch. He may have the most shallow content of any of the major rap figures. I hope he's really bettering people's lives in LA through outreach or funds, not just making vanity documentaries detailing sipping bottled water on a G-5 and carrying on about a county bid 25 years ago. I kept hearing that Suge story in my head too....

"You can marry a white woman, you can move to a white neighborhood.....you can have white friends....but I can't make you white"
 
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It's interesting to hear that Dre's first 2 Aftermath albums were considered flops worthy of dropping him from the label despite both of them going Platinum.

The music business changed so much since then, a rapper ( or any artist for that matter ) going Platinum these days is literally a megastar in the top 1%.
 
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farfan said:
It's interesting to hear that Dre's first 2 Aftermath albums were considered flops worthy of dropping him from the label despite both of them going Platinum.

The music business changed so much since then, a rapper ( or any artist for that matter ) going Platinum these days is literally a megastar in the top 1%.
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His budget was probably insane for them

Look at the videos he was shooting and Phone Tap was basically a movie.










The highest charting single of these was Firm Biz which was number 12 on the hip hop charts. East Coast/West Coast Killaz, Been There Done That and Phone Tap all didn't chart.......The Firm was number 1 on billboard but looking at the videos you can see why it didn't recoup despite going platinum.

You film expensive ass videos with these budgets and all these samples and you better have a hit or multiple hits. The Firm album sampled Teena Marie's Square Biz and Cheryl Lynn's Encore for example. Those aren't your run of the mill samples that you had to dig for, they were sampling certified hits. If you're carrying this type of budget you basically have to go multi platinum. Based on Dre's track record he warranted that......but you can see easily how the label lost 15 million promoting these 2 bricks when none of the singles popped and the albums only went platinum.
 
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DontEemTry said:
This documentary just proves that alot of "Straight Outta Compton" was :duck:

I'm actually surprised that Cube and Dre still had the nerve to be interviewed for it knowing that.

Excellent documentary though.

That DOC shyt fukked me up.
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Watching him listen to the vocals of of "It's Funky Enough" :mjcry:
 
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