The Democrats’ Gamble on Health Care for the Undocumented

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The Democrats’ Gamble on Health Care for the Undocumented

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The Democrats’ Gamble on Health Care for the Undocumented
Ronald Brownstein
19-23 minutes
Several 2020 candidates are proffering moral and policy arguments for providing coverage, but the politics of the move are another matter.

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Anxiety spiked among many centrist Democrats when all 10 presidential candidates at a recent debate raised their hand, as if pledging allegiance, to declare they would support providing health care to undocumented immigrants. The image, which drew instant ridicule from President Donald Trump on Twitter, seemed to encapsulate the primary’s larger lurch to the left during the early stages of the 2020 race, which has unnerved many moderates.

But opinion among the candidates on this polarizing question is actually much more divided than that moment suggested. And that division underscores a larger point: While the most left-leaning positions in the Democratic field have attracted the most attention in the race so far, it’s far from certain the party will pick a nominee who embodies them.

Led by Senator Bernie Sanders, nearly a half-dozen 2020 Democrats have embraced a clear position of offering full access to health-care benefits. Others, including former Vice President Joe Biden, the nominal front-runner, oppose full benefits, although that wasn’t apparent at the debate. The latter group would allow undocumented immigrants to purchase coverage through the exchanges established by the Affordable Care Act, but only with their own money. That approach would cover far fewer people, but also potentially create much less exposure to Republican counterattacks.

Read: Obamacare bars illegal immigrants—and sticks hospitals with the bill

“If we are saying that we can put them into the pools and they can buy on the exchange, I don’t think voters are going to flip out on that because there is no subsidy,” says Matt Bennett, the executive vice president for public affairs at Third Way, a leading organization of Democratic centrists. “But I think beyond that gets pretty dicey.”

This debate affects millions of people. The Kaiser Family Foundation, using Census data, has estimated that 47 percent of the country’s roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants are uninsured, compared with one-fourth of legally present immigrants and about one-tenth of American citizens. Similarly, the Urban Institute places the number of uninsured undocumented immigrants at nearly 4.9 million, or about one-sixth of the total population of uninsured people in America.

The case for expanding their health-care access rests on financial, public-health, and moral arguments. Supporters contend that it’s cheaper to provide access to medical care up front, rather than deal with health crises in emergency rooms; that allowing the undocumented to go untreated increases health risks for legal residents who come in contact with them; and that it is unjust to let people face health threats without care, regardless of their status. As Biden put it in a recent interview with CNN, “How do you say, ‘You're undocumented. I'm going to let you die, man’? What are you going to do?” The counterargument, meanwhile, is that it’s unfair to ask taxpayers to subsidize their care, and that covering the undocumented will act as a “magnet” to incentivize more immigration.

Emergency rooms must provide aid to all who need it. But polls have consistently found that most Americans resist offering public benefits to the undocumented beyond that. In a recent CNN survey, Americans by a solid 3-2 margin said “health insurance provided by the government” should not be available to immigrants here illegally. The idea faced resistance across a wide array of constituencies, including several that Democrats rely on: Just over half of college-educated white voters, half of young adults ages 18 to 34, and over two-fifths of non-whites said they opposed providing coverage for the undocumented. At the same time, three-fifths of voters who identified as Democrats or lean Democratic said they support the idea.

This mixed result leaves the 2020 candidates balancing competing political and policy considerations as they confront the question. In the process, they have reopened a debate that extends back to the consideration of the ACA during former President Barack Obama’s first year in office.
 

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The original version of the ACA, passed by the Democratic-controlled House in November 2009, allowed undocumented immigrants to purchase insurance on the law’s exchanges with their own money. But it denied them eligibility for the subsidies the law established to help the uninsured afford such coverage, and it maintained their exclusion from Medicaid, which the ACA expanded to cover more of the working poor.


The Democratic-controlled Senate—and the Obama White House—would not even go as far as to allow them to buy into the exchanges. Republicans and conservatives had seized on the charge that the ACA would provide the undocumented benefits as one of their talking points against the proposed law; when Republican Representative Joe Wilson of South Carolina famously yelled “you lie” at Obama during his 2009 speech to Congress about his health-care proposal, it was in response to Obama’s insistence that the law would not cover those in the U.S. illegally.

To a degree that’s been largely forgotten today, passing the ACA was a herculean political challenge. Presidents Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon, and Harry Truman had all failed to pass universal-coverage bills; indeed, none of them had even advanced their proposal as far as a floor vote in either chamber. Within the Obama administration, resolving the issue of health coverage for the undocumented was widely viewed as one brick too many on the load.

Rahm Emanuel, who directed the legislative fight for the ACA as Obama’s chief of staff, recalled in an interview that pressure for covering the undocumented never developed “in any concerted way,” and that “no one seriously demanded it.” Neera Tanden, who served as a senior adviser to former Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, remembered the debate inside the administration in similar terms. “I don’t remember considering this at all,” said Tanden, now the president of the Center for American Progress, a leading liberal think tank. “[The] whole issue was a lot more toxic then.”

The final ACA bill that Obama signed into law, in March 2010, completely excluded undocumented immigrants from the system. Even when Obama later instituted the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program to block the deportation of young people brought into the country illegally by their parents, the administration denied them access to benefits under the ACA, notes Eric Rodriguez, the vice president for policy and advocacy at UnidosUS, a leading Latino group.

Toward the end of 2016, the Obama administration had an opportunity to reconsider at least one aspect of that policy. California passed legislation allowing the undocumented to buy coverage on state-run exchanges with their own money (without any public subsidy) and requested a waiver from the federal government to implement the policy. Anthony Wright, the executive director of the advocacy group Health Access California, which helped pass the law, said the state argued that opening up the exchanges made sense because as many as 70 percent of undocumented Californians were in “blended” families that included American citizens. “The argument we made was … isn’t there a benefit to allowing the whole family to buy into coverage at the same time? Rather than to tell these families we can cover the kid and maybe the mother, but the father has to go to buy coverage from a broker independently?” Wright recalled in an interview.


Read: Why many Latinos dread going to the doctor

The issue was never resolved. The state submitted its waiver request too late in 2016 for the Obama administration to rule before it left office. Once Trump took control, California withdrew its request because he was virtually certain to reject it.

Hillary Clinton had moved the party’s position in a more inclusive direction during the 2016 campaign, although her policy didn’t attract nearly as much attention as the hand-raising moment at last week’s debate. Clinton ran, essentially, on House Democrats’ initial proposal in the early days of the ACA debate: that the undocumented should be allowed to buy coverage on the exchanges, though without any subsidies to help.

Three years later, the current slate of candidates seem to have significant differences in how they would treat the undocumented, even if, as a group, they have moved beyond the Obama’s administration’s more cautious position on the ACA. Biden and Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado, both of whom raised their hands at the debate last month, are taking a similar position to House Democrats’ in 2009 and Clinton’s in 2016: In addition to opening the ACA exchanges to the undocumented, they would also allow them to buy into the new public insurance option they would create through an expanded Medicare system. But they would still deny the undocumented any public assistance. Biden, in his CNN interview, put greater emphasis on expanding federally funded community-health clinics as a means of delivering more health care to undocumented immigrants than offering them insurance.

At the other pole of the debate is Sanders’s Medicare-for-all proposal, which would entitle the undocumented to the same health-care services as anyone else in America. The actual language of the bill is less definitive: It says that while “every individual who is a resident of the United States is entitled to benefits for health care services under this Act,” the federal government will promulgate regulations for “determining residency for eligibility purposes.” But in response to a health-care questionnaire from The New York Times, Sanders unequivocally included the undocumented in his system: “Medicare for All means just that: all. Bernie’s plan would provide coverage to all U.S. residents, regardless of immigration status,” his campaign wrote.

In response to my questions, the campaigns of Senators Kamala Harris of California, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, and Cory Booker of New Jersey said they would provide full benefits to the undocumented; so would former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro.

South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg made a passionate case for covering the uninsured during last month’s debate, but his campaign would not specify his exact plan for doing so, particularly whether he would subsidize coverage with public dollars. Former Representative Beto O’Rourke of Texas likewise would not nail down his position on that point.


“This issue is one of many reasons Beto believes that comprehensive immigration reform must be a top priority,” Aleigha Cavalier, his national press secretary, said in a statement. “Because our laws rightly require hospitals to provide care to everyone, the cost of care for uninsured individuals is currently shifted onto other consumers. Therefore, it is in everyone’s interest to provide a pathway for obtaining insurance, whether through the ACA, a new universal healthcare program, or on the private market.”

The rub for both health-care and immigration advocacy groups seems to be the matter of public subsidies. What has become the more centrist position—of allowing undocumented people to purchase coverage on their own—generates mixed feelings: The advocates consider it a valuable gesture, but little more than that, because so few could afford health coverage without assistance.

Wright, for instance, says that “any step toward inclusion is a positive one.” But he notes that when California offered its coverage proposal to the Obama administration, his group estimated that probably fewer than 30,000 of the estimated 1.5 to 2 million uninsured undocumented immigrants in California could afford to buy coverage.

Rodriguez stressed the limited practical impact of the position Biden and Bennet are endorsing now. “If you don’t have subsidies, there is no affordability to get into the system,” he says. “Symbolism these days is still important. The fact that all the candidates raised their hands [to cover the undocumented], that’s not insignificant. But what would be meaningful is proposals that would enable families [to] afford coverage.”

California pushed the debate into another front this week. Governor Gavin Newsom signed a budget that makes California the first state to cover undocumented young adults ages 19 to 26 under its Medicaid program; the state had already extended eligibility to undocumented children under 18 and to pregnant women.

Wright noted that the expansion was, from a cost perspective, a relatively small component of a much larger package, one that focused on providing middle-class families more financial help to afford health care. That linkage, he argues, is the key to winning public acceptance for greater aid to the undocumented.

“There will always be a group of folks who are animated by the immigration issue and that just might be something they are opposed to, period,” he said, basing his analysis on focus groups and polls his group has conducted in California. “But if they see an effort to help people broadly, most people don’t begrudge others being helped as part of that process.”

With either modest steps—or big leaps—toward providing undocumented immigrants health coverage, that may be exactly the wager Democrats are placing in 2020.
 

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I am struggling with this one. I live in California where homelessness is up big and we have enough issues already with barely being able to live with cost of living, taxes, etc.

The more freebies we give out the more people will make it here. I mean can't we fix the problems and get some of the homeless a place to live and get people affordable housing, jobs that pay a decent wage, etc
 

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This is BAD policy and democrats need to STOP. PLAYING. WITH. ILLEGALS!!!!!!
I kinda agree here. I didn't read all that, but I cannot see how it would be a good idea to allow coverage for undocumented persons at taxpayers expense. Seems like political suicide...
I'll need to actually read into the reasoning more later
 

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I am struggling with this one. I live in California where homelessness is up big and we have enough issues already with barely being able to live with cost of living, taxes, etc.

The more freebies we give out the more people will make it here. I mean can't we fix the problems and get some of the homeless a place to live and get people affordable housing, jobs that pay a decent wage, etc
i've been saying that if republicans agree to expanded healthcare/universal healthcare, i'll take it in lieu of completely cutting off and deporting illegals.

Too much is at stake to gamble with losing easy votes from people who can't even vote.

Enough is enough with this.
 

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I am struggling with this one. I live in California where homelessness is up big and we have enough issues already with barely being able to live with cost of living, taxes, etc.

The more freebies we give out the more people will make it here. I mean can't we fix the problems and get some of the homeless a place to live and get people affordable housing, jobs that pay a decent wage, etc

Naw, it's all about trying to get a permanent voting block breh. :wow:
 

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Naw, it's all about trying to get a permanent voting block breh. :wow:
funny thing is that it may even backfire :snoop:

Hispanics aren't a guaranteed democrat voting block...so they're just gambling on some sort of generational picture instead of... making sense :snoop:
 

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Making sure everyone including undocumented people have access to health care is national security issue and must be immediately dealt with.


OP is bigoted moron so he's trying to turn it into a political football like your everyday redneck cracker. Don't fall into that trap.
 

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Making sure everyone including undocumented people have access to health care is national security issue and must be immediately dealt with.


OP is bigoted moron so he's trying to turn it into a political football like your everyday redneck cracker. Don't fall into that trap.


Look at all these bigots :letmesee:


Look, I don't support Trump and I don't support how he implements his policies...but the fact is that black leaders have ignored black people's demands that they be protected from illegal immigrant labor pressure.

Trump is a disgusting person who uses fear mongering and racist policies... but something has to be done to actually address the fact that black citizens are continually overlooked in context of illegals:

I vote for the left. I support democrats. I think I'm a progressive...but at some point, you have to ask, how can you fix this issue as humanely as possible and why are black voters made to ignore what illegals have done to black labor over the last 30 years?

Coretta Scott King was against illegal immigration:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...oretta-scott-king_us_58c83a50e4b05675ee9c5adb




Immigration, African Americans, and Race Discourse Immigration, African Americans, and Race Discourse – New Politics


Even Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration:
Cesar Chavez's Complex History on Immigration

Illegal Immigration: The Impact on Wages and Employment of Black Workers:


Opportunities of Black Workers A Briefing Before The United States Commission on Civil Rights Held in Washington, DC:


Democrats Used To Talk About 'Criminal Immigrants,' So What Changed The Party?
www.npr.org/2019/02/19/694804917/democrats-used-to-talk-about-criminal-immigrants-so-what-changed-the-party

Meatpacking used to employ a lot of African Americans until illegal immigrants came
The Social Contract Book Review of 'Fast Food Nation' by Eric Schlosser

Obama Pushing Immigration Reform - The Black Leadership Alliance - Leah Durant - O'Reilly


Congress tried to fix immigration back in 1986. Why did it fail?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tried-to-solve-immigration-why-didnt-it-work/

Trump isn’t pushing hard for this one popular way to curb illegal immigration
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...f5f85e-399b-11e8-acd5-35eac230e514_story.html

No Crackdown on Illegal Employers https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/opinion/no-crackdown-on-illegal-employers.html

National Review: Remember What Coretta Scott King Thought About Amnesty
https://www.nationalreview.com/2014...a-scott-king-thought-about-amnesty-ian-smith/

Immigration, African Americans, and Race Discourse https://newpol.org/issue_post/immigration-african-americans-and-race-discourse/


Liberals say immigration enforcement is racist, but the group most likely to benefit from it is black men:
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-...o3FPMx6PwWobIB6fhZ6HpdCJ54v-viAny3TQCsdEf0lmM


Remember this guy? Senator Barack Obama in 2005:
https://www.apnews.com/afs:Content:2477111077
Sen Barack Obama Illegal Immigration | User Clip | C-SPAN.org FULL CLIP:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4656370/sen-barack-obama-illegal-immigration







Bernie Sanders said illegal immigrants hurt domestic workers his whole career until he wanted to run for president: https://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190
Bernie Sanders in 2015: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...ubstantially_lower_wages_in_this_country.html




Democrat Representative Barbara Jordan in 1995:



Illegal Immigration and African American Workers
https://www.c-span.org/video/?204714-1/illegal-immigration-african-american-workers


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ALL the black callers hated illegal immigration :wow:

The woman is a professor who tried to smooth that shyt over but ALL the callers were talking about the unfair obstacles black labor faced in Los Angeles

Here's the video: https://www.c-span.org/video/?192044-3/african-americans-immigration-policy

C-Span 2006 interview African Americans and Immigration Policy Professor Jackson talked about the effects of illegal immigration on African Americans. She is one of the 15 members of the Human Relations Commission in Los Angeles. Topics included class issues, unemployment among African American youths, and bigotry


Threads I'VE MADE:

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/nyt...on-problem-ive-warned-you-all-of-this.665773/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/ill...people-can-someone-explain-this-chart.473145/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/la-...gal-alien-now-calling-them-noncitizen.420260/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/illegal-immigrant-supporters-what-the-fukk-is-this.402145/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/us-...tion-hammers-african-american-workers.439087/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/uni...-when-it-comes-to-illegal-immigration.465203/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/npr-debate-panel-on-illegal-immigration.478805/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/ill...rm-plan-could-black-workers-confirmed.552625/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tar...egal-immigrants-to-black-civil-rights.644356/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/nam...nics-can-do-that-black-americans-cant.642337/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/lad...ks-need-to-oppose-illegal-immigration.457776/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/wha...egal-immigrant-who-became-an-engineer.491756/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/jes...-argument-against-illegal-immigration.555843/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tru...the-civil-rights-of-african-americans.476616/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/bla...egal-immigration-hurts-black-citizens.469259/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/im-...fusing-immigrants-with-illegal-aliens.448044/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/hmm...egal-immigrants-hurt-black-employment.402475/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/wsj...federal-policy-make-up-25-of-uninsured.413021

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/yal...t-about-taking-his-illegal-immigrants.568948/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/20-...in-ten-unauthorized-immigrants-in-u-s.511068/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/20-...in-ten-unauthorized-immigrants-in-u-s.511068/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/20-...in-ten-unauthorized-immigrants-in-u-s.511068/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/la-...gal-alien-now-calling-them-noncitizen.420260/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/ann...aring-their-plight-to-black-americans.425699/

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/yal...-be-an-illegal-immigrant-and-a-lawyer.555865/


PLACES AFFECTED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION:

Chicago:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/...on-against-blacks-at-national-job-agency.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/busi...mporary-staffing-1207-biz-20161206-story.html

Los Angeles:

https://lasentinel.net/blacks-immigration-should-not-be-at-our-expense.html

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-...-reform-african-americans-20180316-story.html

Texas:

https://www.chron.co`m/business/bizfeed/article/Job-applicants-must-speak-Spanish-EEOC-lawsuit-11302801.php

(this is a liberal publication too:smile: https://prospect.org/article/two-sides-immigration-policy

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/16/undocumented-workers-finding-jobs-underground-econ/

Miami:

https://www.turnpikelaw.com/miami-hotel-settles-2-5-million-workplace-discrimination-and-lawsuit/

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article9700994.html

Alabama:

http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/06/black_leadership_group_protest.html

Georgia:

https://www.ajc.com/news/more-than-...ieve-from-deportation/BxacGHy2glP3khm3INMsQP/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB116898113191477989

https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt...legal-immigration-law/BX9eXa618lkO0yos0JWALM/

and on and on and on...

https://www.laprogressive.com/spanish-speakers-only/

https://sfbayview.com/2012/03/bilin...ates-to-african-americans-the-ebonics-debate/

https://www.npr.org/sections/codesw...oyment-is-at-record-lows-its-dangerously-high

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-...-african-american-communities-opinion-1026181

https://prospect.org/article/two-sides-immigration-policy

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a..._the_facts_on_illegal_immigration_136979.html

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordeba...kers/unskilled-workers-lose-out-to-immigrants



A RECENT RESEARCH PAPER FOUND THAT BILINGUAL JOB REQUIREMENTS HURTS BLACK LABOR!

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...ent-policies/E00B3C6899939580F089FB81025868F7

Recent immigration and migration patterns have altered the ethnoracial composition of Alameda County, California. Sociopolitical leaders have struggled to adjust to these changes. In an effort to facilitate limited English speakers’ access to critical municipal services, Oakland—the largest municipal in Alameda County—passed an Equal Access to Services Ordinance on May 8, 2001, which is a groundbreaking language access legislation for the City of Oakland’s public administration. Using data from the 2000 Census and the 2005–2011 American Community Survey, this study examines the impact of bilingual employment policies on the ethnoracial segmentation of Alameda County workers. Logistic regression reveals that bilingual employment policies have reorganized both targeted (i.e., public contact) and non-targeted occupations within the local government public administration sector. Specifically, Spanish/Chinese bilingual speakers made gains in the public administration sector (the intended effects), while Black monolingual English speakers experienced losses (the unintended effects). The representation of Black monolingual English speakers in public contact jobs within the local government public administration sector declined by as much as 18 percentage points after the implementation of the nation’s first municipal-level bilingual employment policy. The impact of bilingual employment policies on the East Bay’s Black/Brown relations and African American’s hold on low-skilled jobs in service industries is examined.

 

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Just so we're clear, this article is written by John McCains former communications director. :mjlol:
 

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I think the numbers are on the Dem side with insuring illegals being cheaper, but the optics and social cost is definitely on the rethug side:ehh:


I wonder how many seats insuring illegals is worth to Dems, or have Dems convinced themselves most Americans want illegal immigrant healthcare cost completely covered by tax payers?
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