The Harlem roots of State Lotteries

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Man I thought for sure Harlem in this instance meant the origins was non homo related...

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This is Spike Lee project from his time as a student at NYU . Saw this years ago on PBS.
Its covers the Numbers running game.



 
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Good post. I always thought that playing the numbers & number running started in Chicago.

was always told that it was chicago policy that influenced state lotteries too. policy started in chicago in 1885. the article in op states the numbers game was brought to harlem in 1921. article does state that there are slight differences between policy and the numbers game but not enough to distinguish the two.

i've become a bit fascinated with this subject and been doing my own research on it because we connect collaterally through the marriage of his daughter to john "mushmouth" johnson, a big time bronzeville policy king. what's interesting about mushmouth is that although he had fame and respect among the south side of chicago, many of the leading families often scoffed at him viewing him as a gangsta or criminal. but come to find out, his family was involved in the harlem renaissance, were some of the first black graduates of the university of chicago, and were involved with chartering chicago's chapter of sigma pi phi.

gonna read the article in op in full when i get some time. lots of parallels between new york and chicago from what i skimmed through especially with how the mafia collaborated with local authorities and the feds to usurp policy/numbers for their gain.

ndigo magazine interviewed the granddaughter of ed jones, the most successful policy king who became the wealthiest black man during the great depression. his net worth at the time was equivalent to a billion today. he married one of the dancers of josephine baker and was one of the first blacks to be let into the cotton club in harlem. his granddaughter produced a documentary on his life.

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The writer of the article put out a book through U. of Chicago Press that covers policy and Chicago in detail.

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The policy game was the most popular and most organized form of gambling in the black neighborhoods of Chicago.

The terms “policy” and “numbers” are often used interchangeably, although they in fact refer to two distinct games. The policy game appeared in different forms in northern cities during the nineteenth century, taking a
consistent shape during the 1870s as a practice of betting on combinations of three numbers between 1 and 78.

If a player’s three numbers appeared among the twelve winning numbers drawn, then this bet, called a “gig,” yielded somewhere between $150 and $300 for a one-dollar bet. A bet on two numbers, known as a “saddle,” paid less, while a bet on four numbers, known as a “horse,” paid more.

During the nineteenth century, the winning numbers were drawn in Kentucky; results were transmitted by telegraph to the many
cities in the North, where illegal policy shops dotted the landscape. At different points in time, in different cities, policy sellers divorced the game from the Kentucky drawings and generated their own winning numbers through the turning of a drum, called a wheel. A number of black
Chicagoans operated their own wheels by the beginning of the twentieth century, and their results earned trust and favor among black bettors.

By contrast, in New York, the policy game was dominated.by white gambling figures. The African American New York.population bet the game heavily, yet few black New Yorkers could be counted among the game’s entrepreneurs. Thus,.when the similar game of “numbers,” with preferable odds
and an inherent fairness, appeared in Harlem during the early 1920s, black bettors quickly abandoned the policy game and transferred their gambling allegiance to black entrepreneurs selling the new game.

After the game of numbers eclipsed the older policy in New York, the state
government neglected to create a new category of criminal gambling. Rather, those arrested for dealing in numbers were actually arrested for violation of laws against policy.

While the game of policy faded from the New York streets, the terminology persisted.
The Harlem numbers game was considerably simpler than policy. Numbers relied on neutral published figures to
generate winning digits.
In contrast, policy outfits spun their
own wheels to generate the winning numbers, and thus the game was not immune to occasional fixing or foul play. Each wheel in Chicago also had its own winning numbers for the day, while in New York, one set of winning figures prevailed
across the city.

The simplicity and fairness of the numbers
gave it an inherent advantage over policy, and the numbers easily swept policy aside in many cities.

In Chicago such was not the case. In the Windy City, the older, more complicated game held strong among black
bettors. The loyalty of the South Side to the policy game was rooted in the tradition of black enterprise in gambling. As the
numbers spread from city to city, policy maintained its position in Chicago because it was intertwined in the political, economic, and social structure of the community. In
African American Chicago neighborhoods, policy was a mainstay of working-class leisure, a bulwark of legitimate business, an organizing element of politics, and a vital
source of employment.
 

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At different points in time, in different cities, policy sellers divorced the game from the Kentucky drawings and generated their own winning numbers through the turning of a drum, called a wheel. A number of black
Chicagoans operated their own wheels by the beginning of the twentieth century, and their results earned trust and favor among black bettors.

nets, curious - growing up, did the lottery drawings in nyc include these spinning wheels or wheel machines?

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btw, the gentleman in the video is a member of my parish, sings in the choir. brotha can sang.
 

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also, this was a source of confusion for me after reading the autobiography. can you break down the conflict around wi archie and x around that particular bet which strained their relationship? i know wi archie maintained he did not forget bets. but i didn't quite grasp what x had done?
 

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nets, curious - growing up, did the lottery drawings in nyc include these spinning wheels or wheel machines?

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wheel machine @ 0.58 secs -



btw, the gentleman in the video is a member of my parish, sings in the choir. brotha can sang.


Had a relative who was pretty open about playing the Pick-It, but I think my Pop might have played too.

The NJ Pick-It and NY Lotto drawings had the machine with the numbered balls.

Seeing the clip of the spinning wheel, I guess that Wheel of Fortune and the old Price is Right spinning wheels are descended from the tradition of policy.
 

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also, this was a source of confusion for me after reading the autobiography. can you break down the conflict around wi archie and x around that particular bet which strained their relationship? i know wi archie maintained he did not forget bets. but i didn't quite grasp what x had done?

Earlier in the book, they mention Archie's strong memory, and that Malcolm had hit a number once or twice before, and the manner of payment.
Archie didnt write bets down on the spot, but he wrote and filed them later.
Client who told him he hit would get paid out of Archie's own pocket, and Archie's written records would match the Bank's, so the Bank would pay him back

The ups and downs of street life caused Malcolm to descend to heavier drug use. Mentions using weed, opium, and coke.

The number he played, say for instance, 123.
The confusion was whether he combinated or not, playing all variations of those 3 numbers (123, 132, 213, 231,312,321)

Archie was described as a solid, old time gangster who worked for an established Bank. So I think the reader is to draw the conclusion that the drug use caused Malcolm to confuse his bet from that day. Likely putting a real bet on 123, but NOT putting a smaller combinated bet on those numbers. And therefore not actually winning that day.
 

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Archie was described as a solid, old time gangster who worked for an established Bank. So I think the reader is to draw the conclusion that the drug use caused Malcolm to confuse his bet from that day. Likely putting a real bet on 123, but NOT putting a smaller combinated bet on those numbers. And therefore not actually winning that day.

and so the winning bet would've been one of the smaller combinated numbers that malc would've claimed he placed? was the bet in question placed by a client or from malc himself?
 
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