The Show Must Go On: 2013-14 Los Angeles Lakers thread

[GreatestLaker]

the Pau Gasol was not fair when it was done. Thats not even debatable fam. Whenever a deal is centered around one of the absolute worst players in the league, its lopsided.

Considering Bynum has put up 1 20 point game since the trade, that trade was a steal. The fact he left had nothing to do with Mitch. By the way who drafted Bynum fresh out of high school?

The Chris Paul trade didnt happen, but was agreed to by both GM's. It was essentially a deal. So yes I give him credit for that

you dudes are scapegoating Mitch for no fukkin reason. He's regarded as one of the best GM and negotiators by his peers for a reason. Judging him for this year's body of work is laughable. He's done good all things considered, and this is the first year in a LONG time we didnt have a competitive roster. And I dont know one single Laker fan who was upset with Steve Nash move at the time. Not one. He was coming off a 12 and 10 season, and we had no PG. Every Laker fan liked that move. It wasnt until Steve was defeated by father time that folks started tripping.

btw, Another brilliant move by Mitch was flipping Mo Evans and Brian Cook for Trevor Ariza.

He also refused to flip Bynum for Kidd, which turned out to be a brilliant decision as well.

Dude shouldnt be fighting for his job. I fully trust him and his ambition to put together talented teams.

That’s not how you judge if a trade is fair or not. The Grizzles wanted to rebuild. So they traded for assets that would help them for the future. In 1996 everyone at the time thought the Hornets got a steal when they traded a HS player named Kobe Bryant for one of the best centers in the NBA in Vlade Divac. Do you still view that as a steal for the Hornets even though at the time of the trade Vlade was the much better player? That trade is now considered one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history. When you are trading for young players, draft picks etc. sometimes it takes years before you find out if it was a good trade or not. You judge a trade by the end results. It’s the same thing when you draft players.

In 2007 Marc Gasol was an overweight center, but he was still projected to go late in the first round, but teams passed him up, because he had conditioning issues. In 2008 before we traded him. He lost weight and blew up in the Spanish league and won MVP. If he had declared for the draft just a year later he would have been a lock for the top 10. Kwame was an expiring contract. They traded for his contract, not Kwame the player. They then used his expiring contract to clear cap space to trade for Zach Randolf.

Let’s say we traded Pau to the Magic at the trade deadline for their #1 pick this year. Would you say it was a steal for the Magic? Even though at the time of the trade we gave up the best player?

Its funny how you are judging the Dwight trade by the end results. At the time of the trade a lot of Laker fans thought it was lateral move. Bynum was coming off his first healthy all-star season and Dwight was coming off major back surgery. But does that even matter now? Dwight plays for the Rockets.

Mitch wanted to draft Sean May in 2005. He went on record and said so himself. Now you’re really trying to give him credit for the Bynum pick?

The Chris Paul trade would have been by far his best move, but it didn’t happen. So he gets zero credit there. He still could have come out of it looking good, but he managed to fukk up there too. By trading Lamar coming off the best year of his career for a top 20 protected pick and a trade exception and by not trading Pau to the Rockets for Dragic, Martin, Scola and picks.

 

[Hater]

The Lakers will be in dire need for defensive leadership next season, but they’ll also need their point guard to create more than shots.

There is belief within the organization that Farmar, 27, can legitimately play at this sort of consistently high level in D’Antoni’s system, and there’s no doubt that the fire Farmar brings to the court is something the Lakers also are lacking.

Don’t forget that Farmar, drafted by the Lakers in 2006, has been in Kobe’s camp for even longer than Gasol. Farmar’s consistent positivity during what has been a woefully disappointing season for him with a twice-torn hamstring has been shocking for those who remember him resisting and complaining under Phil Jackson.

“We have a young group, and he’s not one of the young ones anymore,” Gasol said about Farmar.

Farmar will also be a free agent, but his desire to be in his hometown Los Angeles is plain. The onus will be on him to stay healthy the rest of the season and show he’s not just someone the Lakers might be able to re-sign for cheap, but rather someone who could be a leader for this team in the future.

sounds like they're planning on keeping both pringles/ears and making him the starting PG

 

[Kenny_Powers]

Farmar is a fukking a$$hole. I remember when my friend's cousin asked if he could have a picture with him and he's like "No, man, I ain't got time for you" and got in his car. I hate when athletes do that, especially those who aren't shyt. Like, you wouldn't even have your job if it weren't for the fans fukkboy.

 

[Regular_P]

That’s not how you judge if a trade is fair or not. The Grizzles wanted to rebuild. So they traded for assets that would help them for the future. In 1996 everyone at the time thought the Hornets got a steal when they traded a HS player named Kobe Bryant for one of the best centers in the NBA in Vlade Divac. Do you still view that as a steal for the Hornets even though at the time of the trade Vlade was the much better player?

Stopped reading. At no point was Vlade one of the best centers in the NBA. Good? Yes. When they made the trade, he was coming off a season where he averaged 12.9/8.6. Nobody considered that trade a steal for the Hornets. Now obviously, no one knew how good Kobe would become, but that was viewed as a fair deal at the time.

 

[Regular_P]

sounds like they're planning on keeping both pringles/ears and making him the starting PG

I'm alright with this. I'd rather they didn't spend big money on the PG position and focus on other areas. He can be a starting PG for a contending team. This year he's shown he can knock down 3's at a high rate (45%!) and push the ball.

Farmar is much better now than he was during his first go-round with the Lakers.

 

[-DMP-]

Just get rid of antoni for fukks sake

-DMP-

 

[Hater]

I'm alright with this. I'd rather they didn't spend big money on the PG position and focus on other areas. He can be a starting PG for a contending team. This year he's shown he can knock down 3's at a high rate (45%!) and push the ball.

Farmar is much better now than he was during his first go-round with the Lakers.

i want Lowry

 

[GreatestLaker]

Stopped reading. At no point was Vlade one of the best centers in the NBA. Good? Yes. When they made the trade, he was coming off a season where he averaged 12.9/8.6. Nobody considered that trade a steal for the Hornets. Now obviously, no one knew how good Kobe would become, but that was viewed as a fair deal at the time.

Vlad was one of the best centers in 90's. Only Shaq, Mutumbo, Robinson, Hakeem, Alonzo, Ewing, Smits and Daughetry were better.

It was viewed as a steal. Just look up what the media was saying at the time. Its all there on the net. They thought Jerry West was an idiot for trading an established big man for an unknown rookie.

 

[gho3st]

Stopped reading. At no point was Vlade one of the best centers in the NBA. Good? Yes. When they made the trade, he was coming off a season where he averaged 12.9/8.6. Nobody considered that trade a steal for the Hornets. Now obviously, no one knew how good Kobe would become, but that was viewed as a fair deal at the time.

it doesn't negates the point dude was trying to make. The Divac for Kobe trade was considered strange by a lot of people around the NBA except Calipari and the Nets GM at the time who wanted to draft Kobe.

 

[Regular_P]

i want Lowry

Gonna cost too much and he can't shoot like Farmar.

Vlad was one of the best centers in 90's. Only Shaq, Mutumbo, Robinson, Hakeem, Alonzo, Ewing, Smits and Daughetry were better.

It was viewed as a steal. Just look up what the media was saying at the time. Its all there on the net. They thought Jerry West was an idiot for trading an established big man for an unknown rookie.

One of the "best" centers yet he never made the All-Star team during that period.

Like I said, he was a good player, but not even close to the top-tier guys in the league.

it doesn't negates the point dude was trying to make. The Divac for Kobe trade was considered strange by a lot of people around the NBA except Calipari and the Nets GM at the time who wanted to draft Kobe.

It wasn't viewed as a franchise altering move for either team. West knew he was gonna sign Shaq too.

 

[Regular_P]

Dunno if they've already been posted or not, but the Nash documentaries he did for Grantland are pretty good. He's very honest about everything and knows he's done.

 

[Newzz]

lol @ Mitch Kupchak being a bad GM

 

[Newzz]

I'm alright with this. I'd rather they didn't spend big money on the PG position and focus on other areas. He can be a starting PG for a contending team. This year he's shown he can knock down 3's at a high rate (45%!) and push the ball.

Farmar is much better now than he was during his first go-round with the Lakers.

I would rather keep Kendall Marshall

 

[Regular_P]

I would rather keep Kendall Marshall

I'd rather keep both. Marshall will make under $1 mil and Farmar wouldn't make much more.

 

[GreatestLaker]

One of the "best" centers yet he never made the All-Star team during that period.

Like I said, he was a good player, but not even close to the top-tier guys in the league.



It wasn't viewed as a franchise altering move for either team. West knew he was gonna sign Shaq too.

One of the "better centers", happy? At the time of the trade Vlad was only 27 and a top 7 center in the league. Just the season before the trade he put up 16/10/4/2. That's all-star caliber numbers. He wasn't going to make the all-star team back then, because Hakeem and Robinson played in the West