"The South" sound is actually a Midwest sound

[Ghost Utmost]

I am from NC. I am in love with 90s East Coast sound (which is sampled from Classic Midwest Soul music .. ) but I am of the belief that Bone Thugs introduced this current sound that people attribute to the South.

The main features are the tempo (about 120 bpm vs 90 bpm for the traditional Hop) and the reliance on 'keyboard' beats. I am thinking Thuggish Ruggish at this second although I didn't take time to verify my wild claims.

My cousin from the D reminded me that Crucial Conflict, Twista, Bone, and even Em all do that fast rap style. Even cats like Lupe and MGK.

All I remember from the South before this era was the OLD school high tempo shyt like Luke and the 90s ATL shyt like Dungeon Fam and JD. Also Geto Boys. None of that sounds anything like contemporary Rap tho.

 

[RAX 010]

Good Observation

 

[ProfessionallyTrill]

@Cold Blooded

Dopest avi on the coli. Crispy.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

I am from NC. I am in love with 90s East Coast sound (which is sampled from Classic Midwest Soul music .. ) but I am of the belief that Bone Thugs introduced this current sound that people attribute to the South.

The main features are the tempo (about 120 bpm vs 90 bpm for the traditional Hop) and the reliance on 'keyboard' beats. I am thinking Thuggish Ruggish at this second although I didn't take time to verify my wild claims.

My cousin from the D reminded me that Crucial Conflict, Twista, Bone, and even Em all do that fast rap style. Even cats like Lupe and MGK.

All I remember from the South before this era was the OLD school high tempo shyt like Luke and the 90s ATL shyt like Dungeon Fam and JD. Also Geto Boys. None of that sounds anything like contemporary Rap tho.

Outkast.

 

[RAX 010]

@Cold Blooded

Dopest avi on the coli. Crispy.

TRILLZ

 

[RAX 010]

The South is to the Midwest what the Eastcoast is to the Westcoast...at least back in the early days
its a funky paradigm actually...the west, midwest and the south are more intertwined
the east is more on its own now

its crazy

Hip hop processes in seasons...im bumping bibby free crack at the moment actually lol

 

[Yoda]

who cares, The west still makes the best music

 

[RAX 010]

 

[H.I.M.]

Nope. 3-6 and other Memphis artists like DJ Squeeky, DJ Zirk, 8Ball & MJG, Tommy Wright III, Gangsta Pat. Skinny Pimp, DJ Sound, Blackout etc. etc. etc. were using that sound that you're describing before anybody knew who Bone was.

Also were tongue twisting (Lord Infamous & Skinny Pimp) before Bone, Crucial Conflict (i don't know about Twista) had any releases PERIOD underground or otherwise...

 

[H.I.M.]

Be honest, what do you think sounds more similar to the "current south" sound... Bone, Twista, Crucial Conflict... or these gentlemen

 

[Peter Parker]

Nope. 3-6 and other Memphis artists like DJ Squeeky, DJ Zirk, 8Ball & MJG, Tommy Wright III, Gangsta Pat. Skinny Pimp, DJ Sound, Blackout etc. etc. etc. were using that sound that you're describing before anybody knew who Bone was.

Also were tongue twisting (Lord Infamous & Skinny Pimp) before Bone, Crucial Conflict (i don't know about Twista) had any releases PERIOD underground or otherwise...

This

Plus I think the current southern trap sound is just a continuation of the 00's Crunk shyt

 

[H.I.M.]

Memphis nikkas were actually goin in on Bone all throughout the 90's for bitin their shyt

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Thanks Brehs. I consider myself a learned Hip Hop head but I honestly was engulfed in my East Coast shyt during the Golden Era. My awareness of music fro other regions is limited to what came across the radio waves. I was a snob simply put.

Now that I am grown my mind is ready to open and absorb some of the treasures I missed. More importantly I want to be a true scholar of this culture.

I got some research to do now and y'all have laid out the curriculum. I will do the one and report back.

Any Midwest heads like to add on to what my cousin was kicking to me? Equal time and all.

 

[Spartacus89]

The South is to the Midwest what the Eastcoast is to the Westcoast...at least back in the early days
its a funky paradigm actually...the west, midwest and the south are more intertwined
the east is more on its own now

its crazy

Hip hop processes in seasons...im bumping bibby free crack at the moment actually lol

The East is going to always be on the outside because a lot of the peoples of African descent in the East especially New York come from the Caribbean Islands so there is a lack of respect for the social context of the "south" and Afro-American southern descent New Yorkers have adopted that mentality. New York is like one of the few places where being "latin" is seen as being "cooler" than being "African American" of southern slave roots. In every other hiphop city you go "African Americans" are considered the "coolest" most copied ethnic group and dominate the hiphop scene. Even most of their radio stations Hot97 ie have more Afro Caribbean's there than African Americans working there. Power 105 will throw one token like Charlemagne on as the "Afro-American" host. There is no other city where latinos are more followed and copied than afro-americans, it is always reverse everywhere. It's to the extent that African Americans in NYC with southern roots barely rep their roots and show more love to Afro Carribeans from DR, PR, Haiti, etc than the south.

Prime example, remember when raggaeton hit, every Afro-America in NY was latin and was rapping in Spanish, you never seen a movement of love like that by NY artists towards the south NEVER more than they show love to their own southern descent black . Nas "Bridging the Gap" is one of the few NY tracks that took it back to the south but there was no "lets take it back to the south" movement there similar to the size and scope of the raggaeton "lets take it back to the islands" vibe. It took a dude from Morocco (French Montana) to move to NY to bring Southern style twang to New York rap. Whereas the actual southern descent Afro-Americans living there had been shytting on the south for decades prior. That's insane, an immigrant brought NY rap "back to the southern roots" before the natives. There is no other region in the US where African Americans rep the south less than the East so they will forever be on the outside until they start loving the south just as hard as they ride for those islands. The irony though is that music like reggae that the East latch to so much actually started as a "copy" version of Southern black rhythm and blues which was introduced to the islands then mixed with calypso. All that singing reggae shyt originated as Jamaicans emulating Southern r&b that had reached the islands. Southern music changed the whole sound and style that Island nyggas have so if anything the East owe the South more than anybody else because even the Afro Islanders they look up to got half their style from the south.

 

[ryshy]

Thanks Brehs. I consider myself a learned Hip Hop head but I honestly was engulfed in my East Coast shyt during the Golden Era. My awareness of music fro other regions is limited to what came across the radio waves. I was a snob simply put.

Now that I am grown my mind is ready to open and absorb some of the treasures I missed. More importantly I want to be a true scholar of this culture.

I got some research to do now and y'all have laid out the curriculum. I will do the one and report back.

Any Midwest heads like to add on to what my cousin was kicking to me? Equal time and all.

my nikka u typing like a british kid writing in his journal