The time Barry Bonds was intentionally walked with the bases loaded

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I remember this when I was a kid like

Buck gave no fukks. I'm not letting him beat us!

But it paid off, the D-Backs won.

This was 1998 for all you doubters out there. Bonds was the 90s GAWD well before the 2000s and all the allegations.

 

[Remote]

Bonds started juicing in 99.

But fair enough.

 

[the cool]

Bases loaded bottom of the 9th. Smart move by buck showalter

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Bonds started juicing in 99.

But fair enough.

maybe so. He faced countless pitchers who were juicing and with everyone else juicing they still weren't putting up the numbers he was

Exhibit A: 100MPH known juicer, Gagne. no problem

 

[Remote]

maybe so. He faced countless pitchers who were juicing and with everyone else juicing they still weren't putting up the numbers he was

Exhibit A: 100MPH known juicer, Gagne. no problem

What you said is true.
But there is a bit of a difference here worth noting.

Hypothetically, there could have been (and likely were) pitchers who could throw 100 mph without the juice at 28 years old -- which is what Gagne was here.
But Barry Bonds almost certainly would not have been able to turn on 100 mph fastballs without the juice at 39 years old.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

What you said is true.
But there is a bit of a difference here worth noting.

Hypothetically, there could have been (and likely were) pitchers who could throw 100 mph without the juice at 28 years old -- which is what Gagne was here.
But Barry Bonds almost certainly would not have been able to turn on 100 mph fastballs without the juice at 39 years old.

But it was proven that Gagne was juicing so it's a moot point.. more to what I was getting at. Pitchers are juicing and hundreds of hitters are juicing at the time too. But ONLY Bonds hit 73 home runs. Only Bonds had over .500 on-base and over .800 slugging. Why didn't the other hitters do that? Because simply.. they weren't as good as him and never were.

But even if we get past all of that. Babe Ruth was playing baseball against nothing but other whites. Often times against pitchers who were pitching 9 innings whether they pitched nine scoreless or gave up 8 runs, they were there. The game was very different. And with nobody but whites allowed, I really don't give a fukk about what the records were.

 

[Aje]

But even if we get past all of that. Babe Ruth was playing baseball against nothing but other whites. Often times against pitchers who were pitching 9 innings whether they pitched nine scoreless or gave up 8 runs, they were there.

Ruth got more rings as a pitcher than Bonds got.

and Griffey >>> Big Head

 

[Brosef]

maybe so. He faced countless pitchers who were juicing and with everyone else juicing they still weren't putting up the numbers he was

Exhibit A: 100MPH known juicer, Gagne. no problem

Damn, that pitcher was brolic like a linebacker. There was something about that late 90s superhuman baseball that we'll never see again

 

[JackRoss]

maybe so. He faced countless pitchers who were juicing and with everyone else juicing they still weren't putting up the numbers he was

Exhibit A: 100MPH known juicer, Gagne. no problem

I always wondered what happened to Eric Gange..

 

[JackRoss]

Ruth got more rings as a pitcher than Bonds got.

and Griffey >>> Big Head

Yall stay trying to shyt on people.. Only white people care about Babe Ruth.. Using the ring argument does not translate in certain sports

 

[GzUp]

But it was proven that Gagne was juicing so it's a moot point.. more to what I was getting at. Pitchers are juicing and hundreds of hitters are juicing at the time too. But ONLY Bonds hit 73 home runs. Only Bonds had over .500 on-base and over .800 slugging. Why didn't the other hitters do that? Because simply.. they weren't as good as him and never were.

But even if we get past all of that. Babe Ruth was playing baseball against nothing but other whites. Often times against pitchers who were pitching 9 innings whether they pitched nine scoreless or gave up 8 runs, they were there. The game was very different. And with nobody but whites allowed, I really don't give a fukk about what the records were.

Difference is bonds eye was superior to everyone else.

 

[Remote]

But it was proven that Gagne was juicing so it's a moot point.. more to what I was getting at. Pitchers are juicing and hundreds of hitters are juicing at the time too. But ONLY Bonds hit 73 home runs. Only Bonds had over .500 on-base and over .800 slugging. Why didn't the other hitters do that? Because simply.. they weren't as good as him and never were.

But even if we get past all of that. Babe Ruth was playing baseball against nothing but other whites. Often times against pitchers who were pitching 9 innings whether they pitched nine scoreless or gave up 8 runs, they were there. The game was very different. And with nobody but whites allowed, I really don't give a fukk about what the records were.

Without the juice Bonds would have went down as a top 10 player all-time.
With it, people argued he was the best ever.

That's one HELL of a jump and that distinction is worth noting.

If, say, the 12th best basketball player ever took a substance that allowed him to produce at a level that catapulted him into the discussion for being better than Jordan....you'd all point that shyt out.

 

[GzUp]

Without the juice Bonds would have went down as a top 10 player all-time.
With it, people argued he was the best ever.

That's one HELL of a jump and that distinction is worth noting.

If, say, the 12th best basketball player ever took a substance that allowed him to produce at a level that catapulted him into the discussion for being better than Jordan....you'd all point that shyt out.

He was top ten player but not in his prime yet.

U can play baseball for along time so your prime can come much later compared to other sports.

 

[King Poetic]

Best 5 tool player ever in baseball.. This coming from a dodgers fan

 

[Remote]

He was top ten player but not in his prime yet.

U can play baseball for along time so your prime can come much later compared to other sports.

Not really.

Miguel Cabrera is already on the down slope of his career and he's 34.
Pujols was effectively finished as an elite player at 33.
Most guys prime lasts from about 25-30 in baseball.

To Bonds' credit, he was still incredible in 1998 (before the juice) when he was 33.
It's a certainty that his skills would have diminished significantly within the next 2 years. And it's very likely he would have faced nagging injuries that wouldn't have healed. Instead he was on the juice (got injured from training in 1999) and went on to hit 351 more homers.

It's true, Bonds was an enormous talent on the juice hitting against inferior talent on the juice. But it's not as simple as that.
And despite what people may think about playing well into your late 30s....everybody isn't David Ortiz (who was on the juice himself)

My honest opinion, even if Bonds never took anything, he could have been an extremely effective DH in the American League. But no teams wanted him because of his jerk reputation ASIDE from the PEDs allegations