The UFO/UAP disclosure thread

[Agent Mulder]

I thought it would be ideal to have a thread on recent and future disclosures by government officials on UFO's or UAV's (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) or UAP (Unidentified Arial Phenomena) as the Department of Defense has been referring to them. I find it interesting that the DOD has stated that they'll be declassifying information every 6 months and believe that an official statement of some sort will eventually be made by the revamped UAPTF (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force).

In the meantime, let's have a dedicated thread to these releases. I prefer we try stick to official footage and articles by government agencies as much as we can. Otherwise, we'll end up with a thread full of wacky youtube clips and bad photoshop attempts.

I grew up reading and watching documentaries on UFO phenomena but as I got older I let go of the idea that we're being visited by extraterrestrials. Still not really convinced believe it or not. However, these new videos and statements by government officials have really sparked my interests again and I'm surprised that most people aren't excited, curious, or even a bit alarmed.




Leaked Government UFO Photo: What Is Hovering Cube-Shaped Object?

The Pentagon Has Reportedly Found ‘Off-World Vehicles Not Made on This Earth’

Government UFO Research | Pentagon Has UFO Vehicles, Materials

 

[DEAD7]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The "off-world vehicles" shyt was already discussed in another thread. The Pentagon has never said anything like that, the only guy who said it was some UFO junkie who the Pentagon allowed to have a seat on the task force. No one else co-signed it.

The Navy videos have been discussed too - data on the clips themselves shows that the effects are just from camera settings. The Pentagon never said the tapes show UFOs or anything usual.

The silver clips to me look like either a deflated weather balloon or one of those high-altitude parachutes they use for dropping weather equipment. The story around it is lame as fukk too - supposedly it was hanging in the air, but she just took a pic with her cell phone and moved on? We talking about supposed alien contact and instead of staying in the region, watching it until it fell into the sea or "left", or at least making a closer pass, they just gonna get on with their day?



edit: this is the high-altitude parachute I was talking about - compare it to the picture above - just add a wind effect and it could easily be the same thing.

 

[KillerB88]

The "off-world vehicles" shyt was already discussed in another thread. The Pentagon has never said anything like that, the only guy who said it was some UFO junkie who the Pentagon allowed to have a seat on the task force. No one else co-signed it.

The Navy videos have been discussed too - data on the clips themselves shows that the effects are just from camera settings. The Pentagon never said the tapes show UFOs or anything usual.

The silver clips to me look like either a deflated weather balloon or one of those high-altitude parachutes they use for dropping weather equipment. The story around it is lame as fukk too - supposedly it was hanging in the air, but she just took a pic with her cell phone and moved on? We talking about supposed alien contact and instead of staying in the region, watching it until it fell into the sea or "left", or at least making a closer pass, they just gonna get on with their day?



edit: this is the high-altitude parachute I was talking about - compare it to the picture above - just add a wind effect and it could easily be the same thing.

Here you go again.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

We got satellites that can read license plate numbers off cars but we still getting grainy photos of ufo? Foh

 

[Agent Mulder]

The "off-world vehicles" shyt was already discussed in another thread. The Pentagon has never said anything like that, the only guy who said it was some UFO junkie who the Pentagon allowed to have a seat on the task force. No one else co-signed it.

The Navy videos have been discussed too - data on the clips themselves shows that the effects are just from camera settings. The Pentagon never said the tapes show UFOs or anything usual.

The silver clips to me look like either a deflated weather balloon or one of those high-altitude parachutes they use for dropping weather equipment. The story around it is lame as fukk too - supposedly it was hanging in the air, but she just took a pic with her cell phone and moved on? We talking about supposed alien contact and instead of staying in the region, watching it until it fell into the sea or "left", or at least making a closer pass, they just gonna get on with their day?



edit: this is the high-altitude parachute I was talking about - compare it to the picture above - just add a wind effect and it could easily be the same thing.

If you want to dismiss the premise of this thread you could have done so without presenting misinformation.

The person who made this claim isn't some random internet "UFO junkie" they let on to the task force. He's an Astrophysicist who subcontracted for the Pentagon for years and now works for an aerospace defense contractor. Hardly the type of character you're describing. From the NY Times article:

Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”

Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

Mr. Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later.

No Longer in Shadows, Pentagon’s U.F.O. Unit Will Make Some Findings Public

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As for the notion that no one else co-signed the claim of "off-world vehicles", the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (ATTIP), (the secretive Pentagon unit that studied UFOs), co signed it himself. From the NYT:

For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze.

Mr. Elizondo is among a small group of former government officials and scientists with security clearances who, without presenting physical proof, say they are convinced that objects of undetermined origin have crashed on earth with materials retrieved for study.

In the interview, Mr. Elizondo said he and his government colleagues had determined that the phenomena they had studied did not seem to originate from any country. “That fact is not something any government or institution should classify in order to keep secret from the people,” he said.

Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program (Published 2017)

No Longer in Shadows, Pentagon’s U.F.O. Unit Will Make Some Findings Public

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As for the Navy officials never claiming the tic-tac video to be UFOs, yes, you're right. They instead classify them as Unidentified Aerial Phenomena or Unidentified Aerial Vehicles like I mentioned in my OP. Does that suit you better?

And please spare me about the radar and chip glitches. These are seasoned fighter jet pilots stating they're seeing "fleets" of these things and had been seeing them for weeks before that footage was taken.

Lastly, the most recent picture looks nothing like that high-altitude parachute. But I rather not entertain your rebuttal anymore as you seem determined to dismiss any notion of UFO information/disclosure. It's cool because in real life, I'm you in my circle of friends when this discussion come about. Although secretly, I still wanna believe

 

[Leasy]

I believe they are around and the militaries around the world stated that they use to fly or hover over nuclear bases. I think some machines are man-made but majority are from outer worlds.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

We got satellites that can read license plate numbers off cars but we still getting grainy photos of ufo? Foh

For all the technology the military has, the big new "disclosure" is a photo of a supposedly stationary object that someone took with their cell phone and didn't even bother staying around to get closer or watch what it would do.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Its fun to act like Aliens are visiting but shyt is

Same with ghosts and paranormal shyt.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Aliens or not the fact that such technology may exist and appears to defy the laws of physics is incredible. I just wish more scientists would be less dogmatic and actually do real research on this issue.

 

[MoneyTron]

Why hasn't the Galactic Federation come to help solve our problems instead of just chilling out in deep space?! DO SOMETHING!

 

[Micky Mikey]

Why hasn't the Galactic Federation come to help solve our problems instead of just chilling out in deep space?! DO SOMETHING!

Perhaps everything we're going through is a part of the growing process.

 

[Agent Mulder]

For all the technology the military has, the big new "disclosure" is a photo of a supposedly stationary object that someone took with their cell phone and didn't even bother staying around to get closer or watch what it would do.

Ducking and dodging. It’s all good. You don’t have the answers. None of us do. But please, don’t spread false information. It makes you look desperate and biased.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Aliens or not the fact that such technology may exist and appears to defy the laws of physics is incredible. I just wish more scientists would be less dogmatic and actually do real research on this issue.

What did you see that defies the laws of physics? The only shyt I heard that about was the Navy videos, and when they looked into the files it shows that it's just perspective (zoom setting changes halfway through the video so it looks like the object jumps).

And please spare me about the radar and chip glitches. These are seasoned fighter jet pilots stating they're seeing "fleets" of these things and had been seeing them for weeks before that footage was taken.

Breh, I KNOW military pilots. I know military pilots who believe in QANON, military pilots who were uneducated juvenile delinquents before they joined up. All becoming a pilot means is that you became very proficient on a certain piece of of equipment, it doesn't mean you are an expert analyst of aerial phenomenon or ain't subject to an overactive imagination just like anyone else.

For all the supposed sightings that proceeded those videos, where is the evidence? We have zero pictures or other evidence for any of those even though there was an entire major military operation in the area. Then when we do get video, it's just solitary objects traveling in straight lines, doing absolutely nothing out of the ordinary once you understand what the cameras were doing while the recording was made:

This article, for example, points out the numerous discrepancies in the witness claims and why what's actually shown by the sensors/video doesn't match the magical accounts that were given:

Navy Pilot’s 2004 UFO: A Comedy of Errors | Skeptical Inquirer



This article also summarizes why many of the phenomena have perfectly normal explanations, like the fact that the camera changed its zoom at one point, making it look like the object shifted miraculously when all that happened was the new zoom level put it at a different point in the screen:

The Skeptic’s Guide to the Pentagon’s UFO Videos

Science writer, engineer, and skeptic Mick West has a YouTube channel where he extensively documents his efforts to provide alternative explanations for the Navy UFO footage that doesn’t involve alien visitors to planet Earth. According to West, FLIR is probably a “low resolution, out of focus, backlit plane.” In the FLIR video, the video focuses on a single UAP in the distance. It appears to rotate in place before zooming to the left of the frame. According to To the Stars Academy, this movement is “unprecedented velocity.”

West pointed out that, as the camera stops tracking the object, it also changes the zoom. This switch from a 1x zoom to a 2x zoom gives the object the appearance of “teleporting” to the left. The craft, which was always traveling to the left, continues apace but isn’t followed by the camera anymore. That gives it its apparent speed. “This is perfectly consistent with something like a distant aircraft just flying along quite normally making no sudden movements,” West said on YouTube.

He believes GIMBAL to be a plane as well, lit by the infrared flare of the engine and locked in place by a trick of the gimbal mounted camera viewing it. In a series of several videos on his YouTube channel, West walks through how a gimbal mounted camera can produce the effects seen in the Navy footage, including the rotating glare and image sharpening in IR cameras.

West thinks GOFAST is a balloon tracked by a camera and given unnatural speed by an effect called parallax--when viewed while moving, objects at different distances appear to move at different speeds. The To the Stars Academy release of GOFAST claims the object is moving quickly and low across water. West, using the data displayed in the camera footage, calculates the speed and distance of the perceived object. According to him, it’s actually moving slowly at a high altitude.

If boring explanations exist for this phenomenon, then why hasn’t the Navy simply released them?

“Because things like this contain operational details,” West told Motherboard over the phone. “Their analysis would have to take into account the technology involved, sensitive things like ‘how does the [Advanced Targeting Forward Looking Infrared] (ATFLIR) system work?’ In the Nimitz case, they wouldn't want to talk about the limitations of American radar systems.”

https://www.youtube.com/user/mickword/videos



Like it says in the article, absolutely nothing recorded in the videos or by the sensors shows the inexplicable qualities that the witnesses claim. So the easiest explanation is that they're just not reliable witnesses. And you don't have to know many military pilots before you learn that a lot of them ain't necessarily gonna get shyt right.

 

[Micky Mikey]

What did you see that defies the laws of physics? The only shyt I heard that about was the Navy videos, and when they looked into the files it shows that it's just perspective (zoom setting changes halfway through the video so it looks like the object jumps).

I am just basing this on the all the personal accounts I've heard from pilots to average joes...
and my own personal experiences. The behavior of these objects seems to be really consistent across the board.