The way rap is now, can a rapper post 2013 ever make it to top 10 all-time list?

[FreshAIG]

Post the Drake, Cole, Kendrick era

Can any of the new rappers make it to top 10 all-time based off where the genre is heading? Everything is hit based, full projects don't really matter, a lot of albums are full of filler songs because of the streaming shyt. I think the way it's set up now, nobody can become a top 10 all-time rapper because most of the criteria we use to judge it: longevity, catalog, hits, influence, cultural significance have all become watered down or non-existent

Song crafting doesn't even matter, just hit crafting. If you can't make a hit, nobody cares.

 

[FreshAIG]

^^^

 

[Waterproof]

Yes, Every Generation have an Emcee that can hang with the best, but it not only come down to lyrical skills, it also comes down to the albums, the culture impact.

 

[FreshAIG]

Yes, Every Generation have an Emcee that can hang with the best, but it not only come down to lyrical skills, it also comes down to the albums, the culture impact.

That’s what I’m saying tho, did you read my post? All those things are slowly becoming obsolete. So can someone still be top 10 all time without that or do we have to change the criteria?

 

[mobbinfms]

Post the Drake, Cole, Kendrick era

Can any of the new rappers make it to top 10 all-time based off where the genre is heading? Everything is hit based, full projects don't really matter, a lot of albums are full of filler songs because of the streaming shyt. I think the way it's set up now, nobody can become a top 10 all-time rapper because most of the criteria we use to judge it: longevity, catalog, hits, influence, cultural significance have all become watered down or non-existent

Song crafting doesn't even matter, just hit crafting. If you can't make a hit, nobody cares.

Kendrick and Roc Marciano are the only ones who "debuted" 2010 or later who could make a top ten.
Maybe Conway...
Everything you wrote is on point.

The parameters will change though.

In ten years Drake will be considered a legend and Rakim/KRS will be further marginalized.

It will only be a small portion of the population who will really know what's what.

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

The things that made top 10 rappers are no longer a factor anymore. The game has changed and will always be changing. These terrible rappers will be in most of these kids top 10 a few years from now.

Take Kanye,DrakeDrak Lil Wayne for example. All have had multiple ghostwriters but are in peoples top 10. Would never be in mine but I've lived through the Kanes,G Raps,Rakim,KRS,Nas,BIG, Canibus,Pun,Wu-Tang eras so there's no way I can put a guy who doesn't write his own raps next to those guys

 

[Columbo]

Ill always respect the opinions of those who were around longer, how many kids 20 and under are gonna go back and listen to Rakim, Big Daddy Kane? These kids never heard of a Kool Moe Dee or a Spoonie G.

They wont ackowledge our legends, and their favorite rappers...i think many of us 28 and up are too old to relate to whats hot. Id feel like a clown listening to lil uzi or lil savage

The most valid opinions would come from someone that was listening in the late 70's and is still up on whats going on today. I dont think such nikkas exist

 

[mobbinfms]

The most valid opinions would come from someone that was listening in the late 70's and is still up on whats going on today. I dont think such nikkas exist

True. But people who came of age in the early 90s were able to go back and do their homework.
That's basically impossible for someone who has to play catch up on everything pre 2010.

So while someone who was cognizant in the late 70s would be ideal, some who came about a decade or so later and really did their homework is nearly as good.

 

[Waterproof]

That’s what I’m saying tho, did you read my post? All those things are slowly becoming obsolete. So can someone still be top 10 all time without that or do we have to change the criteria?

It will never become absolute because there's always an artist that change the culture and bring back lyricism, Story telling, pushing the culture ect

The cateria will never change it's set in stone

We seen this same shyt 10 years ago with that hip hop is dead bullshyt, the real always weed out the bullshyt

 

[FreshAIG]

Kendrick and Roc Marciano are the only ones who "debuted" 2010 or later who could make a top ten.
Maybe Conway...
Everything you wrote is on point.

The parameters will change though.

In ten years Drake will be considered a legend and Rakim/KRS will be further marginalized.

It will only be a small portion of the population who will really know what's what.

Yeah I'm not counting them, I put 2013 because I feel like Kendrick and them are the last of the bunch that can be. Post that, yeah I don't see it bro.

 

[mobbinfms]

It will never become absolute because there's always an artist that change the culture and bring back lyricism, Story telling, pushing the culture ect

The cateria will never change it's set in stone

We seen this same shyt 10 years ago with that hip hop is dead bullshyt, the real always weed out the bullshyt

I really hope you're right. But this time really feels different. Really feels like the game just morphed into some bullshyt.

 

[Donny]

The music we have now is really superficial we had the same kind of slow drag with the ringtone rap , rockstar rap, whatever the hell was popping in 2006-2009 eventually people started really craving something more from the music and we seen the Kendrick’s, Coles, Drake ect; pop up

 

[Waterproof]

The music we have now is really superficial we had the same kind of slow drag with the ringtone rap , rockstar rap, whatever the hell was popping in 2006-2009 eventually people started really craving something more from the music and we seen the Kendrick’s, Coles, Drake ect; pop up

^^^^^^^^^^
Dap and Rep

And look now we got J.I.D., Earthgang, Lil Pun ect

 

[Insensitive]

I think it's possible but you have the barrier of pretension to get past.
Hip-Hop Heads can be a very conservative bunch musically.

Kendrick made several songs on TPAB and DAMN that are Hip-Hop to the core.
But it still gets derided by dummies as "too different" or simply "funk".

If you're a young rapper born in the latter half of the 90's and/or the early 2000's you have a Genre to dig through that's huge and a history that isn't thoroughly covered post the 90's.

So you'll have some white kid in the Midwest trying to Google his way to Hip-Hop legitimacy that discredits "electronic music" or
more specifically "trap" while ignoring that the 808 is a traditional Hip-Hop instrument no different than the MPC or that Synthesizer's aren't new to this shyt.

Not to mention when your understanding of the genre is small or limited it's easy for biters to come in and get hot.
Joey is a great rapper but it's so blatantly obvious that early in his career he copy pasta'd some 90's rsppers.

Childish Gambino gets love for his last album and the mixtape before it, but prior to his reinvention dude was essentially a Wayne clone with milder lyrics and
an easily digested "smart/token black" image.

 

[Bossino]

Imma youngin on the board, I'll be 20 in June, but I've always been an intellectual with music and if aint bars it aint hip-hop, new music in the genre has been watered down and the emphasis is on mood created by beats and vibes, not actual lyrics, messages, or concepts in songs/albums, hence why albums are fading and playlists are becoming more prominent. Just like anything capitalism touches, the true meaning/roots/goals of hip-hop will eventually be lost, and the catchiest song will win out, even if its extremely repetitive or simple. Only way hip-hop gos back to bars being prominent is if white people stop listening/making money off it. Then we can go back to more afrocentric themes, bars, inspirational, biographical music giving insight on artists lives, or their people, lives, etc.


Even though Im 19 I still actively go back through the catalogues of legends, though Im lacking in 80s hip-hop, I have a great appreciation for 90s hip-hop even though its a little before my time I have over 1500 hip-hop songs in my itunes library including the artists: ATCQ, Arrested Development, Big Daddy Kane, Big L, Black Star, Bone Thugs, Camp Lo, Common, De La Soul, Deda Baby Pa (one of Pete Rock artists whose album got shelved), DMX, Dr. Dre, E-40, Eric B. & Rakim, Gang Starr, Heavy D. & The Boyz, Ice Cube, InI (Pete Rock's rap group), Jay-Z, Kool G Rap, LL Cool J, Mos Def, Nas, OutKast, Pete Rock, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Scarface, Slick Rick, Slum Village, Snoop Dogg, The Fugees, The Notorious B.I.G., The Pharcyde, The Roots, Wu-Tang Clan, 2Pac

Takes time but when Im not busy I listen to old albums and add the joints that I mess with