The "We ain't no damn African, we's Indian" crowd is a fukking embarrassment

[HarlemHottie]

I see some of the same posters making the same defunct claims (Melanesians/Pacific Blacks) (Algonquin, Choctaw) Etc...
Some have already been explain to as why these are not valid arguments.

At that point I just assume that they are purposefully lying.

Soooo, while not using those actual words, you agree.

This right here is why I don't identify with my class peers. Yall don't even know how to talk to people.

 

[Ty Daniels]

Soooo, while not using those actual words, you agree.

This right here is why I don't identify with my class peers. Yall don't even know how to talk to people.

No I do NOT Agree with "Dumb Azz Nikkas", that is not part of my thought process, I hate that word and concept.

This is The Coli, where people call each other all types of Shyt for lesser reasons.

I've called a few posters "Retarded", but that is about the extent of it.

If someone continues to lie about our history, I will not use "Kid Gloves".

 

[OneManGang]

Basis of their claim is "anything but african".

They will accept:
A. They originate in America. Grew from the ground like flowers.
B. They descend from Atlanteans who settled America when atlantis sank.
C. Aliens seeded them here and everyone else in whatever land they're in. So the human family isn't related.
D. America was colonized by black Europeans who committed the atrocities we attribute to cacs. Black Europeans who have no African genetics...

There's some im forgetting. I know all this not just because I debate them, but I used be one in like 2006. I know the rhetoric!

No sensible person gives credence to any of that stuff.

I remember you would post the wildest shyt

Low key props for coming to your rabid ass senses breh

 

[HarlemHottie]

If someone continues to lie about our history, I will not use "Kid Gloves".

I'm asking you to consider that they don't think they're lying. And so, the overwhelming hostility of the response does nothing but 'prove' to them that you're lying. Does that make sense? Bc, honestly, we should be able to talk this out civilly. There's nothing inherently wrong with them for lacking the full context, this is the result of white supremacy. Be kind to your brothers, identity is a personal thing and we're lost.

I'll give you an example. Last year maybe, I started looking into the Hebrew Israelites (we have a friend, I wanted to be conversant, etc). Not the ones who yell at people, the learned ones with books and history and archaeology. Ngl, it's been interesting. I'm in no way convinced, but I have learned MANY things that I did not know, about black people and black history.

I just say, calm down, listen, and don't assume the worst. I find it disgusting how quick ppl throw around allegations like 'running from blackness.' All that does is shut down the convo, whether on purpose or not. Also, technically, they wouldn't be running away from blackness, they'd be expanding it (since they're obvs black).

 

[Ty Daniels]

I'm asking you to consider that they don't think they're lying. And so, the overwhelming hostility of the response does nothing but 'prove' to them that you're lying. Does that make sense? Bc, honestly, we should be able to talk this out civilly. There's nothing inherently wrong with them for lacking the full context, this is the result of white supremacy. Be kind to your brothers, identity is a personal thing and we're lost.

I'll give you an example. Last year maybe, I started looking into the Hebrew Israelites (we have a friend, I wanted to be conversant, etc). Not the ones who yell at people, the learned ones with books and history and archaeology. Ngl, it's been interesting. I'm in no way convinced, but I have learned MANY things that I did not know, about black people and black history.

I just say, calm down, listen, and don't assume the worst. I find it disgusting how quick ppl throw around allegations like 'running from blackness.' All that does is shut down the convo, whether on purpose or not. Also, technically, they wouldn't be running away from blackness, they'd be expanding it (since they're obvs black).

I agree.

Can we also agree that when someone claims that we are "Colonized Minded Nikkas", I can take the "Gloves Off"?



There is a lot of stuff about our history that we don't Know, a lot of it is missing. So I understand the desire to look for it in places we are told it is not.

Regarding the "Hebrew Israelites", from my studies there were people with So-called "Sub Saharan" African Ancestry mixed in with all the major "Jewish" populations, before the "Babylonian Exodus".

So there were surely Black Africans related to us among the original populations.

I'll work on a "nicer" approach.

 

[BlackJesus]

Your mother's a bum.

Yall gon stop disrespecting people.

You're so butthurt you had to insult someone you don't even know?

You're whole lineage is bums. All down the line.

Sit your crybaby ass down.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Can we also agree that when some one claims that we are "Colonized Minded Nikkas", I can take the "Gloves Off"?

This is the plight of the talented tenth, you know what it is. Can you really blame them with all these educated c00ns running around? They can't tell one from the other until you let them know. A technique I find useful, in any debate, is to find the areas where you agree and work from there. "Yes, we both agree that the wm is an inveterate liar. I completely understand why you wouldn't trust nothing they say." Just start there and walk them through the science and why you believe it.

Spoiler

Re: BHI, I'ma just leave these two pics. You see them fros, right? Click on the wiki link, the pic gets clearer. Those are POW's taken during the Siege of Lachish, second most important city in Judea, 701 bc. The siege is in the Bible. Who tf are they? Did they have womenfolk and kids? What happened to them?

At the other end of the historical record, I found this on my own recently.

This is from a church in Spain, dated toward the end of Al- Andalus. Same questions, who are these people? Just out of curiosity, I mean, shyt was quite a shock to stumble on and I got here from a totally different direction (I was researching the Wild Men and the Moors tapestry). Like, what?

(I'm using an image from flickr just bc it's cleaner, but here it is on the website of the cathedral itself, in Spanish. Yes I tracked it down, cuz I'm a nerd and history fiend.)

 

[Ty Daniels]

This is the plight of the talented tenth, you know what it is. Can you really blame them with all these educated c00ns running around? They can't tell one from the other until you let them know. A technique I find useful, in any debate, is to find the areas where you agree and work from there. "Yes, we both agree that the wm is an inveterate liar. I completely understand why you wouldn't trust nothing they say." Just start there and walk them through the science and why you believe it.

Spoiler

Re: BHI, I'ma just leave these two pics. You see them fros, right? Click on the wiki link, the pic gets clearer. Those are POW's taken during the Siege of Lachish, second most important city in Judea, 701 bc. The siege is in the Bible. Who tf are they? Did they have womenfolk and kids? What happened to them?

At the other end of the historical record, I found this on my own recently.

This is from a church in Spain, dated toward the end of Al- Andalus. Same questions, who are these people? Just out of curiosity, I mean, shyt was quite a shock to stumble on and I got here from a totally different direction (I was researching the Wild Men and the Moors tapestry). Like, what?

(I'm using an image from flickr just bc it's cleaner, but here it is on the website of the cathedral itself, in Spanish. Yes I tracked it down, cuz I'm a nerd and history fiend.)

Good debate technique.

Our people were in "Eurasia" including "Europe" and "The Middle East/ Levant".

That included genetic African, and Non-African Blacks.

"Europe" became "White" fairly recently.

I'm aware of Lachish as well as the numerous depictions of Black "Moors" BOTH Muslim, and Christian.

There is a lot of lies about Black History, and the placement of Black Folks in it.

We were the first people, so we and the "Eurasian" people who descended from us, who retained their "Black" phenotypes were all over the Ancient world.

Follow the trail of Sickle-Cell haplotype distributions (Especially Benin), those are the places our people were.

 

[Dzali OG]

Ofc, but let me say this. A huge facet of white supremacy is keeping us ignorant. Learned negroes turning around and calling our brothers "dumb nikkas" is NOT tf on code. I'm sure you can cite all the stats about the sorry state of bm education in this country. How dare you (rhet.) weaponize that against the victims you're supposedly advocating for? You can't hear their distress??

It's one thing to be wrong. It's another to be loud and wrong. These negroes is yelling wrong information with their entire chest.

The terrible thing is, many of these pretendians and wabos are intentionally lying! You ascertain their dishonesty by avoiding certain questions and denying evidence.

Pseudo has become a money grab. Observe the subscriber count of the pretendians. Their livestreams have a thousand people tuned in. They create merch for purchase. These guys are PREYING on ignorant nikkas, and they know it! Charging hundreds of dollars to do someone's genealogy when it's practically free.

Most importantly, they are harming the plight of AAs. Did you know many of them are against reparations? Reparations would be for the descendants of slavery...and their ancestors were never slaves. They are hindering our youth. How can a person have aspirations of being a professional believing they descend from dragons or atlanteans?

 

[Dzali OG]

I remember you would post the wildest shyt

Low key props for coming to your rabid ass senses breh

I still have pseudo views on some truly questionable things. I believe in aliens, know ghosts are real, and some cryptids. I side with the simulation and holographic universe theories. Difference is these are things even academia are still researching.

Academia is not researching whether the earth is flat...

 

[Problematic Pat]

Question I have is why is it impossible to believe that as a result of colonization and slavery that the darker people of the Western Hemisphere have a complex ancestry that includes indigenous, African, and European to. Various degrees?

Because these nikkaz think they are indigenous and Europen with ZERO African ancestry. It's already an idiot on here claiming just that.

 

[Uitomy]

Breh,

"Pangea" happened MILLIONS of years ago.

Anatomically Modern Humans, have been around for around 300+ Thousand Years.
The primary "Out Of Africa" Migrations ONLY happened 80-60 Thousand years ago.

The continents were already "Split" by then, by MILLIONS of years.

ALL of the actual evidence points to Black Americans being primarily derived from (RECENT) West-Central African Populations.

Humans who got to other parts of the world, got there by walking, sailing, and animal transports.

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There is ZERO possible way that we are "Indians".
"Native American" peoples primarily got to America via Siberia and the Bering Strait (This is WELL documented).

If Black Americans are "Actually Indians", that means that our ancestors came to America from Cold AZZ Siberia, SMH.

We are Tropically Adapted People, with Tropical body plains, short torsos, longer Tibia bones etc...

We are NOT COLD Adapted, it is CLEAR.

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If the "We Were Already Here" group were smarter they would abandon the "Indian" thing (Cherokee, Algonquin, Choctaw etc...) as those populations have CLEAR genetic ties to SIBERIA.

There are only three possible solutions for "We Were Already Here".

1. We were derived from "Precolumbian Africans".
2. We were derived from "Pacific Blacks" (Melanesian & Australoid groups). (Both groups are genetically distant from Black Americans, and Other African derived populations)
3. We have some "Special" Black American DNA signature that originated here, thus are not related to Africans or "Pacific Blacks" (yet somehow don't show any genetic evidence for this)


The only "Saving Grace" the "We were already Here" group has, is to locate a "Precolumbian African" group, that migrated here, SMH.

And any "Precolumbian African" group, that left a significant population here to become US, would have left LOTS of Evidence.

I don't rule out African contact with the Americas (Precolumbian), but the likelihood of a SIGNIFICANT/Numerous population being here is NOT Likely.

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OCCAM'S Razor, and the actual evidence says we are primarily, the bi-product of West-Central Africans and the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.

Denying this is disrespectful to our Ancestors.

That's all still theory though, it's the most likely result but it's still just a guess, we shouldn't look at that as a pure fact but I respect the work you put into your opinion and I Ceed defeat